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Thanks, Vlad. Come by more often! How's life treating you?Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:27 pmAMen...best summary statement of truth after Uncle Gene...
This is just not true. I'll leave this here: https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/? ... CHES&dir=1specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:06 amVery clearly the coach is asking Ayton to set screens continuously for our below average swings to let them create the offense. Why? The only explanation is he is clueless.Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:02 amAyton is not passive in that context. He recognizes double teams very well and reacts quickly passing the ball. You can build a scheme to play inside out around him if you put three guys who shoot and move without the ball while Booker generates pressure on his own.
If you don’t think coach has him setting screen after screen after screen from the three point line, you’re reading the box score and not watching the games. I just don’t have any other way to explain it.azsportsfan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:33 amThis is just not true. I'll leave this here: https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/? ... CHES&dir=1specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:06 amVery clearly the coach is asking Ayton to set screens continuously for our below average swings to let them create the offense. Why? The only explanation is he is clueless.Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:02 amAyton is not passive in that context. He recognizes double teams very well and reacts quickly passing the ball. You can build a scheme to play inside out around him if you put three guys who shoot and move without the ball while Booker generates pressure on his own.
5th in the league in paint touches. 8th in elbow touches. 13th in post-ups. Doesn't count the terrible passes to him that are attempted and failed. He is not ignored. He is a rookie that needs experience and more strength. He doesn't fight for or hold position well (post-ups stat). His conditioning is a little suspect. He will learn and get a stronger base. It is not an easy position to play. "Coach should just build the offense around Ayton" would give us fewer wins this season. He can defend better at the rim. He can get offensive rebounds and putbacks. Those are on him and not on the scheme. There is more that he can, should, and will be doing. I love the guy, but let's be realistic.
I 100% agree with the bold part.azsportsfan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:33 amThis is just not true. I'll leave this here: https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/? ... CHES&dir=1specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:06 amVery clearly the coach is asking Ayton to set screens continuously for our below average swings to let them create the offense. Why? The only explanation is he is clueless.Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:02 amAyton is not passive in that context. He recognizes double teams very well and reacts quickly passing the ball. You can build a scheme to play inside out around him if you put three guys who shoot and move without the ball while Booker generates pressure on his own.
5th in the league in paint touches. 8th in elbow touches. 13th in post-ups. Doesn't count the terrible passes to him that are attempted and failed. He is not ignored. He is a rookie that needs experience and more strength. He doesn't fight for or hold position well (post-ups stat). His conditioning is a little suspect. He will learn and get a stronger base. It is not an easy position to play. "Coach should just build the offense around Ayton" would give us fewer wins this season. He can defend better at the rim. He can get offensive rebounds and putbacks. Those are on him and not on the scheme. There is more that he can, should, and will be doing. I love the guy, but let's be realistic.
Looking at nba.com does not tell the same story as watching the games. Bottom line.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:00 pmI 100% agree with the bold part.azsportsfan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:33 amThis is just not true. I'll leave this here: https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/? ... CHES&dir=1specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:06 amVery clearly the coach is asking Ayton to set screens continuously for our below average swings to let them create the offense. Why? The only explanation is he is clueless.Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:02 amAyton is not passive in that context. He recognizes double teams very well and reacts quickly passing the ball. You can build a scheme to play inside out around him if you put three guys who shoot and move without the ball while Booker generates pressure on his own.
5th in the league in paint touches. 8th in elbow touches. 13th in post-ups. Doesn't count the terrible passes to him that are attempted and failed. He is not ignored. He is a rookie that needs experience and more strength. He doesn't fight for or hold position well (post-ups stat). His conditioning is a little suspect. He will learn and get a stronger base. It is not an easy position to play. "Coach should just build the offense around Ayton" would give us fewer wins this season. He can defend better at the rim. He can get offensive rebounds and putbacks. Those are on him and not on the scheme. There is more that he can, should, and will be doing. I love the guy, but let's be realistic.
But I want to point out that that paint touches stat doesn't mean exactly what you are using it for. It includes offensive rebounds, and you'll notice that all the guys on the top of that list are strong offensive rebounders. They are all guys who get most or all of their points in the pick and roll and on putbacks. In fact, the first guy on that list who I would say is the cornerstone of the team's offense is AD, and he's 9th. So, yeah, Ayton gets a lot of touches in the paint, but that's not because we are featuring his post game. It's because he gets offensive rebounds and lobs. He gets those touches when someone else draws defenders. We don't send him to the post and ask him to draw defenders.