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Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:00 pm
by Superbone
I hope Ayton learns how to play a whole game next year. He seems to have these hot starts in the first quarter and then he’s pretty quiet the rest of the way.
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:23 am
by Indy
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:00 pm
I hope Ayton learns how to play a whole game next year. He seems to have these hot starts in the first quarter and then he’s pretty quiet the rest of the way.
I think it was Jeremy that said it earlier. His conditioning is just not good. Take a look at his shot chart between first and second quarter. His FG% is basically the same, but he is getting his shots further from the basket, and the ones closer to the basket he is missing. He just loses so much gas.
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:14 am
by Split T
I think the fouls were the big thing that took Ayton out of the game.
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:47 am
by Split T
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:52 am
by Cap
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:47 am
It’s like sometimes these players forget they’re in public.
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:25 am
by Mori Chu
I caught only parts of this game. I am always watching Bender to see how he'll do. He had a few nice defensive plays on Griffin, but his stat line makes it look like he hardly even showed up: 2 points on 1-4 shooting with 4 boards and 5 fouls.
This game was another one where Josh Jackson frustrated me to no end. 1-7 shooting, bad decisions, turnovers, charging. I just don't like the effect he has when he's on the floor and I don't want to watch him any more. We have to get rid of this guy and flip him for any kind of asset while we still can.
Bridges had a good game. 13 points on 5-12 shooting, 7 assists, 3 boards. The 2-8 three-point shooting could have been better, though. I think of Bridges as a 3-and-D wing but his 3-pointer really isn't automatic yet.
Ayton's numbers are deceptive; he had 20 points on 9-12 shooting (!) with 8 boards and 5 fouls. But as others have pointed out, his impact felt less than his stats and it was skewed toward the early part of the game. Still, when you are nitpicking your rookie big man's 20-point game, you have a talented rookie on your hands. Still optimistic about Ayton.
We lost to a team we are supposed to lose to. Get those ping-pong balls.
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401071750
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:49 am
by The Bobster
Cap wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:52 am
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:47 am
It’s like sometimes these players forget they’re in public.
I find Booker to be less and less likable every year.
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:52 am
by The Bobster
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:14 am
I think the fouls were the big thing that took Ayton out of the game.
Exactly. He went into the game in the third quarter at one point on the offensive end, picked up a foul on the very next trip down to the defensive end and was pulled out. It's hard to do much with your ass on the bench.
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:56 am
by In2ition
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:56 pm
Why haven’t we seen George King? Has he ever even been active for a game? There’s no chance we’d use up his 45 days of nba service.
He is in a boot and crutches. Pretty sure he is done for the rest of the year.
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:03 am
by djy2j
The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:49 am
Cap wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:52 am
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:47 am
It’s like sometimes these players forget they’re in public.
I find Booker to be less and less likable every year.
In his defense I'm sure he's tired of seeing these guys make the same mistakes over and over. This reminds me of something Kobe would do. We all hate Kobe but we all (should) respect him. Booker wants to be a winner and appears he wants his squad to develop winning habits so I'm not mad at him for this. I have been pretty underwhelmed with the development of Melton and especially Okobo. Guards usually figure it out before big men but these two have shown me nothing lately that proves they should be in the league. Melton showed some signs early this season but he's developed the Bender "I'm terrified to shoot" complex which is alarming.
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:21 am
by Mori Chu
The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:49 am
I find Booker to be less and less likable every year.
I agree to an extent. Going through year after year of losing and perpetually "rebuilding" is tough on a player. It must be hard to be a consummate professional every year on such a mess of a team.
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:33 am
by Split T
In2ition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:56 am
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:56 pm
Why haven’t we seen George King? Has he ever even been active for a game? There’s no chance we’d use up his 45 days of nba service.
He is in a boot and crutches. Pretty sure he is done for the rest of the year.
Ah, did not know that. Makes more sense now.
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:36 am
by Split T
djy2j wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:03 am
The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:49 am
Cap wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:52 am
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:47 am
It’s like sometimes these players forget they’re in public.
I find Booker to be less and less likable every year.
In his defense I'm sure he's tired of seeing these guys make the same mistakes over and over. This reminds me of something Kobe would do. We all hate Kobe but we all (should) respect him. Booker wants to be a winner and appears he wants his squad to develop winning habits so I'm not mad at him for this. I have been pretty underwhelmed with the development of Melton and especially Okobo. Guards usually figure it out before big men but these two have shown me nothing lately that proves they should be in the league. Melton showed some signs early this season but he's developed the Bender "I'm terrified to shoot" complex which is alarming.
I’m ok with booker getting on players in an appropriate way for making mistakes. We need someone to get on him though for his defensive lapses.
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:44 am
by Indy
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:36 am
djy2j wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:03 am
The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:49 am
Cap wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:52 am
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:47 am
It’s like sometimes these players forget they’re in public.
I find Booker to be less and less likable every year.
In his defense I'm sure he's tired of seeing these guys make the same mistakes over and over. This reminds me of something Kobe would do. We all hate Kobe but we all (should) respect him. Booker wants to be a winner and appears he wants his squad to develop winning habits so I'm not mad at him for this. I have been pretty underwhelmed with the development of Melton and especially Okobo. Guards usually figure it out before big men but these two have shown me nothing lately that proves they should be in the league. Melton showed some signs early this season but he's developed the Bender "I'm terrified to shoot" complex which is alarming.
I’m ok with booker getting on players in an appropriate way for making mistakes. We need someone to get on him though for his defensive lapses.
Agreed. Especially if they talk about it in the locker room too. Just yelling at him on the court is one thing, but you need to do it face to face afterwards, too. And you can't yell at your coach and tell him who to sub and when. That is bullshit.
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:21 am
by The Bobster
However, Booker himself has the highest turnover rate on the team.
I don't see the other players calling him out on the court like he's started to do with other players.
A few games ago he was getting on Bridges about a defensive rotation and all I could think was "Really? He's yelling at Bridges about defense?"
There's a fine line between being a vocal leader and being an aashole.
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:25 am
by AmareIsGod
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:44 am
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:36 am
djy2j wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:03 am
The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:49 am
Cap wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:52 am
It’s like sometimes these players forget they’re in public.
I find Booker to be less and less likable every year.
In his defense I'm sure he's tired of seeing these guys make the same mistakes over and over. This reminds me of something Kobe would do. We all hate Kobe but we all (should) respect him. Booker wants to be a winner and appears he wants his squad to develop winning habits so I'm not mad at him for this. I have been pretty underwhelmed with the development of Melton and especially Okobo. Guards usually figure it out before big men but these two have shown me nothing lately that proves they should be in the league. Melton showed some signs early this season but he's developed the Bender "I'm terrified to shoot" complex which is alarming.
I’m ok with booker getting on players in an appropriate way for making mistakes. We need someone to get on him though for his defensive lapses.
Agreed.
Especially if they talk about it in the locker room too. Just yelling at him on the court is one thing, but you need to do it face to face afterwards, too. And you can't yell at your coach and tell him who to sub and when. That is bullshit.
He did. People are making much ado about nothing.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ ... 242502002/
After the game, Booker and Melton were having a fun conversation in the locker room as cooler heads had prevailed. Still, Booker didn't hesitate when it came to talking about Melton's turnovers when asked about his frustrations with the rookie point guard.
"I told him the court don't move," said a grinning Booker. "P.J. Tucker used to do that all the time (to him). I used to hate it, but it's just part of the game. It's a learning experience. Just knowing the floor and how to run the floor on the wing. He's usually a point guard and probably never been in the corner that much. It's a tough learn, but he'll pick up on it."
Booker addressed Melton during a timeout after the turnover. To him, it's all part of being the team leader.
"That's my job," Booker said. "I'll get on people. That's part of it. It's tough love. You have to learn and there's different ways of learning. There's different ways of teaching. There's different ways of leading. My job is to get that point across."
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:26 am
by AmareIsGod
The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:21 am
However, Booker himself has the highest turnover rate on the team.
I don't see the other players calling him out on the court like he's started to do with other players.
A few games ago he was getting on Bridges about a defensive rotation and all I could think was "Really? He's yelling at Bridges about defense?"
There's a fine line between being a vocal leader and being an aashole.
I guess he should just shrug off his teammates mistakes, being the guy with a max contract, since he makes mistakes too.
Leadership = accountability. Do we think he just looks at his turnovers and turnover numbers and figures no big deal, since he's not really a PG and being asked to be PointBook?
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:35 am
by Shabazz
Josh's sprain looked pretty bad. It looked like it turned in the opposite direction of a typical ankle sprain and then flipped back and turned the other way. I'd be surprised if he's not out for at least 3 weeks.
Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:36 am
by Cap
The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:21 am
However, Booker himself has the highest turnover rate on the team.
Pretty much middle of the road, if we go by TOV%. Better than Melton, and better than all our PGs except Johnson.
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Rk Age G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1 Jawun Evans 22 7 64 0.8 .231 .154 .000 1.7 19.5 10.4 20.1 2.2 0.0 31.6 12.7 -0.2 0.0 -0.2 -0.136 -10.1 0.2 -9.9 -0.1
2 Tyson Chandler 36 7 89 11.6 .653 .000 1.500 8.6 40.7 24.4 9.2 1.1 0.9 26.0 13.0 0.1 0.1 0.2 .095 -5.0 0.1 -4.8 -0.1
3 Emanuel Terry 22 2 20 19.9 .654 .000 .333 10.9 22.7 16.7 8.0 7.2 0.0 22.5 19.0 0.0 0.0 0.1 .130 -1.2 3.0 1.8 0.0
4 DeAnthony Melton 20 42 814 10.0 .457 .392 .081 2.8 12.5 7.6 23.0 3.3 1.8 20.7 15.3 -0.6 0.7 0.1 .005 -3.4 0.9 -2.5 -0.1
5 Jamal Crawford 38 58 1021 9.0 .476 .457 .231 0.9 6.8 3.8 26.7 1.3 0.8 18.4 19.6 -0.8 0.1 -0.7 -0.032 -3.6 -3.9 -7.5 -1.4
6 Elie Okobo 21 44 782 7.0 .469 .445 .168 1.1 10.6 5.8 19.7 1.5 0.5 18.0 17.1 -0.7 0.2 -0.5 -0.034 -4.1 -2.3 -6.4 -0.9
7 Ray Spalding 21 4 30 15.0 .636 .111 .111 3.6 26.4 14.8 10.7 0.0 8.4 17.5 16.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 .067 -4.6 2.1 -2.6 0.0
8 Isaiah Canaan 27 19 503 7.3 .515 .558 .155 1.1 9.9 5.4 17.1 1.1 0.0 17.4 14.2 -0.1 0.0 0.0 -0.004 -2.6 -2.4 -5.1 -0.4
9 Josh Jackson 21 73 1771 10.2 .483 .263 .264 3.8 15.5 9.5 14.2 1.8 2.3 16.6 24.2 -2.8 1.1 -1.7 -0.047 -4.6 -0.5 -5.1 -1.4
10 Devin Booker 22 58 2040 19.0 .573 .332 .359 1.9 11.6 6.6 33.3 1.2 0.5 15.6 32.1 2.3 0.4 2.7 .063 3.0 -2.8 0.2 1.1
11 Ryan Anderson 30 15 278 4.6 .423 .567 .233 5.5 12.6 9.0 8.1 0.5 0.3 15.4 12.1 -0.2 0.0 -0.2 -0.035 -4.4 -2.0 -6.4 -0.3
12 Dragan Bender 21 37 547 7.9 .504 .543 .228 4.6 19.1 11.7 8.8 0.9 1.4 15.2 12.9 -0.1 0.2 0.1 .011 -3.6 -0.9 -4.5 -0.3
13 Quincy Acy 28 10 123 2.9 .379 .833 .556 2.7 20.3 11.3 8.2 0.4 2.7 15.2 9.2 -0.1 0.1 0.0 -0.019 -5.7 -0.2 -5.8 -0.1
14 Trevor Ariza 33 26 884 10.5 .525 .612 .189 2.0 16.5 9.1 13.5 2.1 0.8 13.7 13.8 0.2 0.5 0.7 .038 -1.2 0.4 -0.8 0.3
15 Deandre Ayton 20 67 2068 20.8 .611 .005 .215 11.1 26.1 18.5 10.1 1.3 2.5 11.2 21.1 4.2 1.7 5.9 .138 0.3 0.4 0.7 1.4
16 Kelly Oubre 23 40 1180 16.4 .555 .384 .296 4.4 14.3 9.2 8.8 2.3 2.8 10.7 24.7 0.6 0.9 1.4 .058 -0.3 -0.7 -1.0 0.3
17 Richaun Holmes 25 65 1071 21.1 .656 .000 .483 10.8 20.5 15.6 7.7 1.8 5.8 10.6 17.8 2.9 1.1 4.1 .182 0.1 1.8 1.9 1.1
18 Mikal Bridges 22 73 2088 11.1 .563 .581 .211 2.5 10.0 6.2 10.1 2.7 1.3 10.5 12.1 1.6 1.2 2.9 .066 -0.3 0.6 0.3 1.2
19 Troy Daniels 27 42 548 10.7 .581 .702 .106 1.6 8.7 5.1 6.0 1.8 0.6 10.4 18.1 0.2 0.2 0.4 .034 -0.6 -3.2 -3.8 -0.2
20 Tyler Johnson 26 13 406 12.8 .506 .448 .312 4.0 10.3 7.1 18.7 1.6 1.2 9.0 16.5 0.4 0.1 0.5 .064 -0.3 -1.2 -1.5 0.0
21 T.J. Warren 25 43 1360 16.4 .580 .295 .203 2.5 11.9 7.1 7.8 1.8 1.8 7.2 22.6 1.6 0.6 2.2 .078 0.2 -1.7 -1.5 0.2
22 George King 25 1 6 1.9 0.0 18.9 9.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 .002 -8.8 -1.7 -10.5 0.0
23 Eric Moreland 27 1 5 3.9 0.0 68.0 33.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 .079 -14.1 -3.8 -18.0 0.0
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Re: Game Day: Pistons (36-33) @ Suns (17-54), Thurs 3/21/19
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:58 am
by The Bobster
Depends how you're measuring those turnovers - if you're going per minute played, it's it's Booker. if it's per game, it's Booker.
At any rate, Booker needs to dial back the calling out of the teammates and coaches during the game, and needs to stop hanging back complaining about calls.