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Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:47 pm
by Indy
Mori Chu wrote:
Wed Feb 09, 2022 12:32 pm
Indy wrote:
Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:14 am
Yep. And despite having Cam Johnson, we are not a great 3P% team. Only 11 wins this year came shooting over 40% from 3. And we only have one guy shooting over 40% for the season (I won't count Javale who is technically right at 40% :shock: )
I worry about this a little bit. We are a good 3-point team but don't seem to win a lot of games via 3-point barrages like somebody like GS does. You think of this team as having a lot of great 3-point shooters, but a lot of nights they don't really fall. Guys like Bridges, Payne, and Shamet are pretty hot-and-cold; the guys I really trust shooting 3s on a nightly basis are Cam Johnson, Booker, Crowder, and sometimes CP3. I wish Bridges were just a bit more reliable of a shooter, that would make a ton of difference. Or if one of our bench guards could deliver 3s a bit more consistently.
This made me curious.

GSW
3 games this year where they shot >50% from 3. They went 3-0
17 >40%. 17-0
22 times <33%. 12-10
6 times <25%. 1-5


Suns:
3 times >50%. 3-0
14 times >40%. 12-1
19 times <33%. 14-5
5 times <25%. 4-1

This frequency of each bucket was more similar than I would have thought (like you I assume). But it shows that we are not nearly as dependent on hitting 3s to win. I mean GSW is barely over .500 when they shoot 33% or worse. And they have been at that 3P% just as often as we have. We are still a 75% team when we shoot that poorly.

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:52 pm
by Mori Chu
Really interesting. Thanks for those numbers. I do like that we don't depend on the 3 falling to win.

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 3:50 pm
by bajanguy008
Ahhh yes
More good stats Re: Book and turnovers 8-) ✌️👍


Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 5:20 pm
by Shabazz
Interesting news.


Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:03 pm
by Superbone
I guess. I never expected him to play this season.

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:14 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
It's usually about 8 months post-surgery for NBA players to start typical on-court work, then it's at least another 3 months before they're in game condition. I've mostly heard and read that it's about a 15-18 month recovery process to get back to full strength and comfort to play NBA games.

I realize that he's dead money on the Suns cap right now, but I'm not against seeing how he looks this coming Fall if they can't get him into a favorable trade.

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:31 pm
by Split T
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:14 pm
It's usually about 8 months post-surgery for NBA players to start typical on-court work, then it's at least another 3 months before they're in game condition. I've mostly heard and read that it's about a 15-18 month recovery process to get back to full strength and comfort to play NBA games.

I realize that he's dead money on the Suns cap right now, but I'm not against seeing how he looks this coming Fall if they can't get him into a favorable trade.
Ya he’s not someone we need to dump or anything. He’s not super pricey and he is a useful player. He’s especially a good fit with Cam Payne.

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:57 am
by ShelC

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:58 am
by Split T
Pass, he’s not the answer

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:20 am
by Mori Chu
Split T wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:58 am
Pass, he’s not the answer
If we can't get Gordon or another major trade/buyout guy, I'd at least consider him. I liked him last season especially in the early part of the year.

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:55 am
by bajanguy008
Bigger stuff going on today obviously but no surprise Cam being classy about his omission


Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 6:18 pm
by Split T


Assume this means he’s our waived player

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 6:43 pm
by Furlanfufi
Yes, he is.

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:45 pm
by Indy
And Jackson was waived.

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:57 am
by Split T

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:15 am
by Superbone
Split T wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:57 am
What was it? Now unavailable.

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:29 am
by dragickingdom
Split T wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:57 am
It also goes to show they have half their losses to teams with bad records. Is it just me that gets nervous more playing against a bottom dweller then a good team. This year hasn't been as bad, but we still tend to play down to our Competition.

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:47 am
by bajanguy008
Doolie injury stuff was a little strange but he for sure lost his spot during the course of the season
I want to let Saucey know that I find it to be in bad taste that he not acknowledge Nader's departure 🤦🏾‍♂️

Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:23 pm
by bajanguy008
Mikal contract discussion was centered around we need him to be a consistent scorer and leave the single digit efforts in 2020.

Well going from 12-13ppg to 15-16 would have been satisfactory in my opinion. His season avg can't get to 18-20ppg but if this trend continues rest of season this will obviously be a huge development
I really like the growth as it's just not corner 3s, cuts and fast breaks anymore.


Re: Suns News: Week 17 (2/7 - 2/13)

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:28 pm
by Split T
Superbone wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:15 am
Split T wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:57 am
What was it? Now unavailable.
Still there for me, but it’s a tweet showing the teams with the best records/point differential against the top 10 teams in point differential.

We are 12-5 with a +4.9 differential

Golden state is 11-7 with a +2.6 differential
Memphis is 10-8 with a -2.0 differential

All other teams are .500 or worse. Utah actually has the next best differential at +2.8.

Cleveland and Boston at +2.3, Atlanta at +.2. Everyone else has a negative differential.