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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:53 am
by AmareIsGod
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:46 am
It doesn't look like we're going to get much for Crowder, and since when does Jones make significant in-season moves?
Says who? Are you having conversations with James Jones and other GMs? Or are you going off what Joe Schmuck at ESPN says?
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:10 am
by Split T
I think it’s normal to assume that nothing has happened because the offers all suck…if we had good offers something would have happened by now. It’s easy to assume things are going bad when you don’t know anything.
One thing about James Jones is he’s patient…maybe to a fault at times. I’m not certain we will get anything great for Crowder, but I don’t think just because nothing has happened means we will only get crap.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:54 am
by TOO
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:23 am
TOO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:01 am
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:35 am
You'd think we are a terrible, shitty team if you follow some of this PRESEASON game day thread.
Optimism is fun when it's based in reality. This is not a championship level team, is it bad? Nah, it's top 6 in the west, is it good enough to win it atll? Absolutely not. This team has peaked and even regressed over the last 2 years.
You think this is the roster we run with all season and going into the playoffs?
I really hope not, but upgrading the margins without any assets is gonna be difficult. Either Ayton or the draft picks are gonna go, they recently wasted a first on sorry ass Torrey Craig so my hope of them doing anything smart with a draft pick already shot. Ayton has to approve wherever he may get traded so that limits them as well, so I do think they'll probably run with this with very marginal upgrades.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:51 pm
by Carno
TOO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:54 am
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:23 am
TOO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:01 am
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:35 am
You'd think we are a terrible, shitty team if you follow some of this PRESEASON game day thread.
Optimism is fun when it's based in reality. This is not a championship level team, is it bad? Nah, it's top 6 in the west, is it good enough to win it atll? Absolutely not. This team has peaked and even regressed over the last 2 years.
You think this is the roster we run with all season and going into the playoffs?
I really hope not, but upgrading the margins without any assets is gonna be difficult. Either Ayton or the draft picks are gonna go,
they recently wasted a first on sorry ass Torrey Craig so my hope of them doing anything smart with a draft pick already shot. Ayton has to approve wherever he may get traded so that limits them as well, so I do think they'll probably run with this with very marginal upgrades.
Not true. It was not a first, rather the very last pick of the 2022 draft. So, basically nothing.
I believe this roster is just as good as last season. You all are overrating Crowder and McGee.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:43 pm
by JeremyG
Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:50 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:46 am
It doesn't look like we're going to get much for Crowder, and since when does Jones make significant in-season moves?
Sorry, didn't realize that you're an insider. And to your last question,
Biyombo very recently.
I said "significant."
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:49 pm
by Split T
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:43 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:50 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:46 am
It doesn't look like we're going to get much for Crowder, and since when does Jones make significant in-season moves?
Sorry, didn't realize that you're an insider. And to your last question,
Biyombo very recently.
I said "significant."
This is year 5..
Year 1 he traded for Kelly Oubre
Year 2 he didn’t do anything
Year 3+4 he traded for Torrey Craig
I don’t think that’s enough data to call it a pattern. Oubre was pretty significant. Craig in the 1st year was a pretty savvy move, but not really significant.
I do agree that last year was the time to make a move and we didn’t. My hope is he learned from that and won’t make that mistake again.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:11 pm
by bajanguy008
Yeah the mood on here is to be expected
That burn from last year just isn't going to go away for most and it's totally understandable so I choose not to come on here trying to change anyone's minds
It's a no win situation, even if the team is playing well in the regular season most will still be caught looking ahead to if it means anything for the Playoffs and probably still might not be optimistic.
I've always been focused on the young core and that our growth as a team is about the internal development of Book, DA and the Twin. There's still much more all of them can add including Book to elevate their play and I gonna continue to believe it's possible, that's just me
If the other 3 ability to score/create more consistently on their own doesn't continue to improve or isn't a focus point during regular season for whatever system we're running....
Then regardless of if we get a couple key additions that is still going to be our key downfall if our main lineups are overly reliant on the backcourt duo
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:24 pm
by Superbone
bajanguy008 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:11 pm
Yeah the mood on here is to be expected
That burn from last year just isn't going to go away for most and it's totally understandable so I choose not to come on here trying to change anyone's minds
It's a no win situation, even if the team is playing well in the regular season most will still be caught looking ahead to if it means anything for the Playoffs and probably still might not be optimistic.
I've always been focused on the young core and that our growth as a team is about the internal development of Book, DA and the Twin. There's still much more all of them can add including Book to elevate their play and I gonna continue to believe it's possible, that's just me
If the other 3 ability to score/create more consistently on their own doesn't continue to improve or isn't a focus point during regular season for whatever system we're running....
Then regardless of if we get a couple key additions that is still going to be our key downfall if our main lineups are overly reliant on the backcourt duo
It’s all about the journey. You’ve got to enjoy it along the way otherwise you’ll always be disappointed. Only one team out of 30 wins the championship each year.
Now, let’s compare the Finals team to last year’s team. One could say last year’s team was much deeper and yet they didn’t accomplish as much. This year’s team feels closer to the Finals team depending on what we get for Crowder. You just never know so try to enjoy the ride.
Also, a lot of it depends on when you peak. The Finals team seemed to peak in the playoffs while last year’s team peaked way too early with about 20 games to go in the regular season.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:46 pm
by Mori Chu
Last year in the middle of the season we traded for Craig and signed Biyombo. I thought both of those were savvy moves, and Biyombo gave us a really nice stretch of games while our center rotation was thin. Craig had a bit of a down year, but I still think it was a savvy acquisition that seemed like it should work because of his good fit the year before. In the end, our bench let us down, but it was mostly on our bench guards IMO.
Anyway, our bench right now isn't up to snuff. I absolutely agree with that. But I don't think Jones is incapable of recognizing that, nor of making moves during the season to try to fix it.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:01 pm
by SunsRIt
Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:24 pm
bajanguy008 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:11 pm
Yeah the mood on here is to be expected
That burn from last year just isn't going to go away for most and it's totally understandable so I choose not to come on here trying to change anyone's minds
It's a no win situation, even if the team is playing well in the regular season most will still be caught looking ahead to if it means anything for the Playoffs and probably still might not be optimistic.
I've always been focused on the young core and that our growth as a team is about the internal development of Book, DA and the Twin. There's still much more all of them can add including Book to elevate their play and I gonna continue to believe it's possible, that's just me
If the other 3 ability to score/create more consistently on their own doesn't continue to improve or isn't a focus point during regular season for whatever system we're running....
Then regardless of if we get a couple key additions that is still going to be our key downfall if our main lineups are overly reliant on the backcourt duo
It’s all about the journey. You’ve got to enjoy it along the way otherwise you’ll always be disappointed. Only one team out of 30 wins the championship each year.
Now, let’s compare the Finals team to last year’s team. One could say last year’s team was much deeper and yet they didn’t accomplish as much. This year’s team feels closer to the Finals team depending on what we get for Crowder. You just never know so try to enjoy the ride.
Also, a lot of it depends on when you peak. The Finals team seemed to peak in the playoffs while last year’s team peaked way too early with about 20 games to go in the regular season.
The problem with the Suns is it has been about the journey since 1966. We still haven’t finished it.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:05 pm
by Shabazz
SunsRIt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:01 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:24 pm
bajanguy008 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:11 pm
Yeah the mood on here is to be expected
That burn from last year just isn't going to go away for most and it's totally understandable so I choose not to come on here trying to change anyone's minds
It's a no win situation, even if the team is playing well in the regular season most will still be caught looking ahead to if it means anything for the Playoffs and probably still might not be optimistic.
I've always been focused on the young core and that our growth as a team is about the internal development of Book, DA and the Twin. There's still much more all of them can add including Book to elevate their play and I gonna continue to believe it's possible, that's just me
If the other 3 ability to score/create more consistently on their own doesn't continue to improve or isn't a focus point during regular season for whatever system we're running....
Then regardless of if we get a couple key additions that is still going to be our key downfall if our main lineups are overly reliant on the backcourt duo
It’s all about the journey. You’ve got to enjoy it along the way otherwise you’ll always be disappointed. Only one team out of 30 wins the championship each year.
Now, let’s compare the Finals team to last year’s team. One could say last year’s team was much deeper and yet they didn’t accomplish as much. This year’s team feels closer to the Finals team depending on what we get for Crowder. You just never know so try to enjoy the ride.
Also, a lot of it depends on when you peak. The Finals team seemed to peak in the playoffs while last year’s team peaked way too early with about 20 games to go in the regular season.
The problem with the Suns is it has been about the journey since 1966. We still haven’t finished it.
Yeah. I'm not trying to act entitled, but it's hard to enjoy the journey as much when we're in the a very-rare position of being a title contender and we can't or won't make moves to solidify our place there either because of frugality, incompetence or hair-brained ideas of asset-management.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:25 pm
by specialsauce
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:23 am
TOO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:01 am
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:35 am
You'd think we are a terrible, shitty team if you follow some of this PRESEASON game day thread.
Optimism is fun when it's based in reality. This is not a championship level team, is it bad? Nah, it's top 6 in the west, is it good enough to win it atll? Absolutely not. This team has peaked and even regressed over the last 2 years.
You think this is the roster we run with all season and going into the playoffs?
Yes, the James Jones way.
Last season it was obvious at the deadline we were missing a 4 and a legit backup guard in the worst way. We sat on our hands. The finals year everyone knew we were missing a backup 5. Coming into this year we knew we needed a 4 and a 1/2 at the very least off the bench (if not upgrading on the front end of the roster) and we stood pat. Lots of “rumors” but for whatever reason only the Suns can’t pull the trigger on any deals that don’t involve bit pieces.
As a matter of fact, one could argue that the more reasonable question to ask is “you really think James Jones will actually be proactive in making moves to improve this roster mid-season?”
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:59 pm
by AmareIsGod
specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:25 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:23 am
TOO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:01 am
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:35 am
You'd think we are a terrible, shitty team if you follow some of this PRESEASON game day thread.
Optimism is fun when it's based in reality. This is not a championship level team, is it bad? Nah, it's top 6 in the west, is it good enough to win it atll? Absolutely not. This team has peaked and even regressed over the last 2 years.
You think this is the roster we run with all season and going into the playoffs?
Yes, the James Jones way.
Last season it was obvious at the deadline we were missing a 4 and a legit backup guard in the worst way. We sat on our hands. The finals year everyone knew we were missing a backup 5. Coming into this year we knew we needed a 4 and a 1/2 at the very least off the bench (if not upgrading on the front end of the roster) and we stood pat. Lots of “rumors” but for whatever reason only the Suns can’t pull the trigger on any deals that don’t involve bit pieces.
As a matter of fact, one could argue that the more reasonable question to ask is “you really think James Jones will actually be proactive in making moves to improve this roster mid-season?”
Makes you wonder how much is James Jones vs Sarver in those instance. Good points made nonetheless. It has been disappointing when we've had needs and done nothing to remedy them.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:29 pm
by Superbone
SunsRIt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:01 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:24 pm
bajanguy008 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:11 pm
Yeah the mood on here is to be expected
That burn from last year just isn't going to go away for most and it's totally understandable so I choose not to come on here trying to change anyone's minds
It's a no win situation, even if the team is playing well in the regular season most will still be caught looking ahead to if it means anything for the Playoffs and probably still might not be optimistic.
I've always been focused on the young core and that our growth as a team is about the internal development of Book, DA and the Twin. There's still much more all of them can add including Book to elevate their play and I gonna continue to believe it's possible, that's just me
If the other 3 ability to score/create more consistently on their own doesn't continue to improve or isn't a focus point during regular season for whatever system we're running....
Then regardless of if we get a couple key additions that is still going to be our key downfall if our main lineups are overly reliant on the backcourt duo
It’s all about the journey. You’ve got to enjoy it along the way otherwise you’ll always be disappointed. Only one team out of 30 wins the championship each year.
Now, let’s compare the Finals team to last year’s team. One could say last year’s team was much deeper and yet they didn’t accomplish as much. This year’s team feels closer to the Finals team depending on what we get for Crowder. You just never know so try to enjoy the ride.
Also, a lot of it depends on when you peak. The Finals team seemed to peak in the playoffs while last year’s team peaked way too early with about 20 games to go in the regular season.
The problem with the Suns is it has been about the journey since 1966. We still haven’t finished it.
I never said the journey was short.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:36 pm
by The Bobster
SunsRIt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:01 pm
The problem with the Suns is it has been about the journey since 1966. We still haven’t finished it.
1968.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:56 pm
by specialsauce
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:59 pm
specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:25 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:23 am
TOO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:01 am
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:35 am
You'd think we are a terrible, shitty team if you follow some of this PRESEASON game day thread.
Optimism is fun when it's based in reality. This is not a championship level team, is it bad? Nah, it's top 6 in the west, is it good enough to win it atll? Absolutely not. This team has peaked and even regressed over the last 2 years.
You think this is the roster we run with all season and going into the playoffs?
Yes, the James Jones way.
Last season it was obvious at the deadline we were missing a 4 and a legit backup guard in the worst way. We sat on our hands. The finals year everyone knew we were missing a backup 5. Coming into this year we knew we needed a 4 and a 1/2 at the very least off the bench (if not upgrading on the front end of the roster) and we stood pat. Lots of “rumors” but for whatever reason only the Suns can’t pull the trigger on any deals that don’t involve bit pieces.
As a matter of fact, one could argue that the more reasonable question to ask is “you really think James Jones will actually be proactive in making moves to improve this roster mid-season?”
Makes you wonder how much is James Jones vs Sarver in those instance. Good points made nonetheless. It has been disappointing when we've had needs and done nothing to remedy them.
yeah hopefully that’s all Robert, but it won’t be going away this season most likely if that’s the case!
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:57 pm
by JeremyG
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:59 pm
specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:25 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:23 am
TOO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:01 am
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:35 am
You'd think we are a terrible, shitty team if you follow some of this PRESEASON game day thread.
Optimism is fun when it's based in reality. This is not a championship level team, is it bad? Nah, it's top 6 in the west, is it good enough to win it atll? Absolutely not. This team has peaked and even regressed over the last 2 years.
You think this is the roster we run with all season and going into the playoffs?
Yes, the James Jones way.
Last season it was obvious at the deadline we were missing a 4 and a legit backup guard in the worst way. We sat on our hands. The finals year everyone knew we were missing a backup 5. Coming into this year we knew we needed a 4 and a 1/2 at the very least off the bench (if not upgrading on the front end of the roster) and we stood pat. Lots of “rumors” but for whatever reason only the Suns can’t pull the trigger on any deals that don’t involve bit pieces.
As a matter of fact, one could argue that the more reasonable question to ask is “you really think James Jones will actually be proactive in making moves to improve this roster mid-season?”
Makes you wonder how much is James Jones vs Sarver in those instance. Good points made nonetheless. It has been disappointing when we've had needs and done nothing to remedy them.
A lot of it could have been Sarver. Either way, it feels way too much like the Nash years, where we just never made those extra moves to put the team over the top.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:09 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:57 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:59 pm
specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:25 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:23 am
TOO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:01 am
Optimism is fun when it's based in reality. This is not a championship level team, is it bad? Nah, it's top 6 in the west, is it good enough to win it atll? Absolutely not. This team has peaked and even regressed over the last 2 years.
You think this is the roster we run with all season and going into the playoffs?
Yes, the James Jones way.
Last season it was obvious at the deadline we were missing a 4 and a legit backup guard in the worst way. We sat on our hands. The finals year everyone knew we were missing a backup 5. Coming into this year we knew we needed a 4 and a 1/2 at the very least off the bench (if not upgrading on the front end of the roster) and we stood pat. Lots of “rumors” but for whatever reason only the Suns can’t pull the trigger on any deals that don’t involve bit pieces.
As a matter of fact, one could argue that the more reasonable question to ask is “you really think James Jones will actually be proactive in making moves to improve this roster mid-season?”
Makes you wonder how much is James Jones vs Sarver in those instance. Good points made nonetheless. It has been disappointing when we've had needs and done nothing to remedy them.
A lot of it could have been Sarver. Either way, it feels way too much like the Nash years, where we just never made those extra moves to put the team over the top.
I wouldn’t put it past Sarver to act like a child and refuse to spend money on the team as in, “I’ll show those Phoenix fans what it’s like without me!”
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Nuggets, Mon 10/10/22
Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:13 pm
by JeremyG
Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:09 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:57 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:59 pm
specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:25 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:23 am
You think this is the roster we run with all season and going into the playoffs?
Yes, the James Jones way.
Last season it was obvious at the deadline we were missing a 4 and a legit backup guard in the worst way. We sat on our hands. The finals year everyone knew we were missing a backup 5. Coming into this year we knew we needed a 4 and a 1/2 at the very least off the bench (if not upgrading on the front end of the roster) and we stood pat. Lots of “rumors” but for whatever reason only the Suns can’t pull the trigger on any deals that don’t involve bit pieces.
As a matter of fact, one could argue that the more reasonable question to ask is “you really think James Jones will actually be proactive in making moves to improve this roster mid-season?”
Makes you wonder how much is James Jones vs Sarver in those instance. Good points made nonetheless. It has been disappointing when we've had needs and done nothing to remedy them.
A lot of it could have been Sarver. Either way, it feels way too much like the Nash years, where we just never made those extra moves to put the team over the top.
I wouldn’t put it past Sarver to act like a child and refuse to spend money on the team as in, “I’ll show those Phoenix fans what it’s like without me!”
Technically, he's not allowed to, but it is his good buddy Sam Garvin in charge so it could still be Sarver making the decisions.