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wpmiller42 wrote:
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JJ Slim wrote:
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I saw an article suggesting several options. One was Sam Cassel? Just say NO!
I think he would be a good coach. Send highly regarded as an assistant, despite his time as a Sun, he was a smart player. I would have him high on my list.
That's the problem. It would be like asking Robert Horry or John Paxson to be our coach. But maybe that was the problem with Bud too.

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JJ Slim wrote:
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wpmiller42 wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:05 pm
JJ Slim wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:30 am
I saw an article suggesting several options. One was Sam Cassel? Just say NO!
I think he would be a good coach. Send highly regarded as an assistant, despite his time as a Sun, he was a smart player. I would have him high on my list.
That's the problem. It would be like asking Robert Horry or John Paxson to be our coach. But maybe that was the problem with Bud too.
I have no problem with John Paxson. He just did what he was out on the court to do. How does that make a player a villain?
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I didn't think Cassell was a "villain" during his time in Phoenix, just a young player that wasn't as good when he didn't have Olajuwon on his team. And I won't even put him in the same breath as Horry. He's been a very successful assistant.

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You all have good points. I just remember Cassell making a bone-headed mistake against us when he didn't get the ball over the half court line in an important moment when he was playing for the Clippers.
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Ok, maybe Paxson was a bad example.

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Bud spoke with Beal and told him he wanted Beal to play a Jrue Holiday role. That didn't sit well with Beal.


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Honestly can’t fault Bud for that one…Jrue is exactly what we needed

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Beal absolutely needed to embrace the role of a POA defender and facilitator. The problem is he's not very good at either of them.
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Beal absolutely needed to embrace the role of a POA defender and facilitator. The problem is he's not very good at either of them.
Then why would you ask that of him then?

Part of being a good GM or head coach is getting good players and putting them in roles they can succeed in.

The problem is this team had three square pegs as "stars" and about 12 round holes that none of them could fit into.

This team is still left looking for a center, an athletic big forwards, a point guard and better defense. That's a lot of holes to fill. You can't fill them by accumulating one-on-one midrange scorers, no matter how talented they are.
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We all though signing Tyus Jones for the minimum was a steal, and it would have been if we needed a Tyus Jones.

On this team however we needed an Alex Caruso or a De'Anthony Melton - a player who is a bulldog defender in addition to not needing a lot of shots to contribute.
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The Bobster wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:38 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:11 pm
Beal absolutely needed to embrace the role of a POA defender and facilitator. The problem is he's not very good at either of them.
Then why would you ask that of him then?

Part of being a good GM or head coach is getting good players and putting them in roles they can succeed in.

The problem is this team had three square pegs as "stars" and about 12 round holes that none of them could fit into.

This team is still left looking for a center, an athletic big forwards, a point guard and better defense. That's a lot of holes to fill. You can't fill them by accumulating one-on-one midrange scorers, no matter how talented they are.
Because it was clearly a massive weakness in the starting lineup. Yeah, it's not what Beal is best at doing, but was it unreasonable to ask him to fill that role on this roster? Absolutely not. And if it bothers him that much, he shouldn't be stubborn with the NTC and accept a trade.

Even more that the persistent nagging injuries, what irritates me most about Beal is how he plays the nice guy all the time but on the court he's so clearly bothered by any bit of adversity, and this "report" from Haynes highlights that issue. His body language has been pathetic for the majority of his time with the Suns.

He has poor self awareness of his own performance based value in the league at this point in his career, but it doesn't appear to be an issue for him because he's secured a massive contract with leverage.
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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:55 pm
The Bobster wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:38 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:11 pm
Beal absolutely needed to embrace the role of a POA defender and facilitator. The problem is he's not very good at either of them.
Then why would you ask that of him then?

Part of being a good GM or head coach is getting good players and putting them in roles they can succeed in.

The problem is this team had three square pegs as "stars" and about 12 round holes that none of them could fit into.

This team is still left looking for a center, an athletic big forwards, a point guard and better defense. That's a lot of holes to fill. You can't fill them by accumulating one-on-one midrange scorers, no matter how talented they are.
Because it was clearly a massive weakness in the starting lineup. Yeah, it's not what Beal is best at doing, but was it unreasonable to ask him to fill that role on this roster? Absolutely not. And if it bothers him that much, he shouldn't be stubborn with the NTC and accept a trade.

Even more that the persistent nagging injuries, what irritates me most about Beal is how he plays the nice guy all the time but on the court he's so clearly bothered by any bit of adversity, and this "report" from Haynes highlights that issue. His body language has been pathetic for the majority of his time with the Suns.

He has poor self awareness of his own performance based value in the league at this point in his career, but it doesn't appear to be an issue for him because he's secured a massive contract with leverage.
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Just gonna put this here…I said it a month ago
Think of Bradley Beal…he’s quick, he’s strong(for his size), he’s athletic…couldn’t he have been Jrue Holiday if that’s what he focused on? Wouldn’t we be much better with a 31 year old Jrue Holiday right now?

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In the spirit of disgust for the season, I'll offer this as the absolute matching 'poop cherry on top...Isaiah Thomas is hired as coach...let the fireworks begin...LOL

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Better than hiring him as GM.
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JeremyG wrote:
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Better than hiring him as GM.
How about the biggest nightmare as coach/GM?
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Superbone wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:12 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:56 pm
Better than hiring him as GM.
How about the biggest nightmare as coach/GM?
Hmmm…the last time we tried that we traded Rajon Rondo for nothing and signed Marcus Banks.
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JeremyG wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:41 am
Superbone wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:12 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:56 pm
Better than hiring him as GM.
How about the biggest nightmare as coach/GM?
Hmmm…the last time we tried that we traded Rajon Rondo for nothing and signed Marcus Banks.
Sounds about fitting for the direction we’ve been heading.

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JeremyG wrote:
Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:41 am
Hmmm…the last time we tried that we traded Rajon Rondo for nothing and signed Marcus Banks.
LOL, I had almost forgotten that we appointed D'Antoni as both Coach and GM for a while there. God, Robert Sarver was such a mofo. Good riddance.

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Griffin pushed Banks on MikeD. He seems like the kind of guy who knows how to do the job but might not be any good at it. Thought he had good rosters in NOLA and the injury stuff wasn't his fault. But without Cleveland there's not a lot of success on his resume.

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