ShelC wrote:Can we trade him on just his QO and let the other team extend him?
Nope. If he is under the QO and gets traded, no further rights are packed with him, which is why the move must have the player's consent. Also, if he takes the QO, he can't be traded for 3 months/dec. 15 (whichever comes later) since there is not anything like a 'QO-and-trade'.
Thanks R_W. That is interesting to know..
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:54 am
by ShelC
Here's what I got from the CBA regarding S+Ts:
The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 44).
Starting in 2013-14, the team receiving the player cannot be above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) after the trade. A team above the apron can receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the trade reduces the team's payroll and the team finishes the trade below the apron.
Starting in 2013-14, the team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season.
The trade must be completed prior to the first game of the regular season (sign-and-trades are not allowed once the season begins).
The player cannot be signed using the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or any exception that cannot be used to offer a three-year contract
Are those the basic guidelines?
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:29 am
by Ring_Wanted
Yes, post 2011 those are the essential restrictions to sign and trades. However, the issue with Bledsoe is that under the QO, he is not subject to rookie scale rules anymore (extensions included). Once signed, the QO is a regular one year contract and if traded, the acquiring team doesn't receive Bird rights.
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:02 am
by JCSunsfan
The problem with a sign and trade is that most teams would have send back a substantial amount of salary in order to give Bledsoe what he wants. No way are the Suns goint to not only give up the hold they have on Bledsoe but also essentially pay another team to do it. Bledsoe and his agent have to know this.
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:20 am
by Ring_Wanted
Yeah, huge salary + assets + injury risk is not exactly the most attractive proposition in the world.
Still, it takes just one fool.
There is a lot of speculation about the Bucks, who still have ~10M of cap space, some pieces to spend and supposedly their FO wants to compete.
The Knicks could be players too if they want to put their long term picks on the table.
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:24 am
by JCSunsfan
Ring_Wanted wrote:Yeah, huge salary + assets + injury risk is not exactly the most attractive proposition in the world.
Still, it takes just one fool.
There is a lot of speculation about the Bucks, who still have ~10M of cap space, some pieces to spend and supposedly their FO wants to compete.
The Knicks could be players too if they want to put their long term picks on the table.
Houston needs a pg desperately and Morey is always willing to do deals. The Nets could move Brook Lopez with Plumlee coming along. We could find a way to get in the middle of the Minny/Cleveland trade, especially since Bledsoe's agent is one of the influencers in that deal. Maybe we could do a Irving to Houston, Harden to Phoenix, Bledsoe to Cleveland trade with picks thrown in to even it out.
I know it seems uneven, but, if I could choose one of those players for the Suns right now, I would take Bledsoe. The other two are horrendous defensively and I am so tired of bad defensive teams in Phoenix.
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:25 pm
by Beetlejuice
Im wondering if Bledsoe is going to take the QO, then in strictly 1 or 0 situation(period lets say = 5 years) is it even worth for suns to play him at all ?
We gain ~10 wins in 2015(and lose him for nothing) by playing him.
But playing our youngins and accelerating their development and roster continuation benefits looking forward might overcome those lost 10 wins. And remember : even peanuts have some (wins)value.
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:33 pm
by Cap
JCSunsfan wrote: The Nets could move Brook Lopez with Plumlee coming along.
Plumlee and Lopez? I like it. The MoBros, the PlumBros, and a Lopez. Could we re-acquire RoLo to complete the set?
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:14 pm
by wpmiller42
Is it possible to do a double sign-and-trade with the Pistons for Greg Monroe? I'm not his biggest fan, but I might consider it.
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:22 pm
by Charlie Smithy!
Yes, let's make Phoenix the true city of Brotherly love!
LaCava says, "The Suns are now discussing trade possibilities," and "they are open to that possibility." In the headline this somehow becomes '"Take this to the bank" the Phoenix Suns are trying to trade Eric Bledsoe, reporter says.'
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:50 pm
by Dan H
Wonder if Cleveland would trade Irving for Bledsoe.
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:08 pm
by TOO
Seeing as they just maxed him out and it can be argued hes not better than Thomas, why would we do that? Id rather get a PF or a SG in return.
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:25 pm
by DrSublime
I still am waiting for the Bledsoe for Randle trade that was floating around a while back
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:18 pm
by INFORMER
Superbone wrote:
Shabazz wrote:
Superbone wrote:How are they exploring a Bledsoe trade? Philly is the only team that can give him the max and they're not interested. Easier said than done, Jude.
If it's a sign and trade, the Suns would be the ones giving him the max so almost every team becomes a possible trade partner as long as the incoming salaries work within the rules.
Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. The problem is who do we get that's a difference maker. Maybe Randle? I just don't see the Bucks giving up the Greek Freak.
The Suns don't need to trade him for a difference-maker. Just get some useful pieces, maintain flexibility, and continue to build carefully, patiently, and methodically.
It's sad that it's taking Bledsoe being a bonehead to force Ryan's hand to the right thing. Now if only the Nuggets had fallen in love with Tyler Ennis and the Morris Twins would demand a trade...
If Bledsoe wanted to sign there/Hawks met his price, Atlanta makes a lot of sense for everybody. They still have a lot of cap room since apparently nobody wanted their money, so we wouldn't have to take back unwanted players. Millsap would be ideal, but that's almost a pipedream. If you are the Hawks, you want Bledsoe-Korver-Millsap-Horford and role players.
However, they'd still have some nice pieces left, above all Adreian Payne, who leaving aside his conditioning/lung issues would be a perfect fit here. He would be my main target.
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:07 pm
by Ring_Wanted
JCSunsfan wrote:Houston needs a pg desperately and Morey is always willing to do deals. The Nets could move Brook Lopez with Plumlee coming along. We could find a way to get in the middle of the Minny/Cleveland trade, especially since Bledsoe's agent is one of the influencers in that deal. Maybe we could do a Irving to Houston, Harden to Phoenix, Bledsoe to Cleveland trade with picks thrown in to even it out.
I know it seems uneven, but, if I could choose one of those players for the Suns right now, I would take Bledsoe. The other two are horrendous defensively and I am so tired of bad defensive teams in Phoenix.
The problem with Houston and Brooklyn is that they don't have a lot to offer to Phoenix, and Houston has cap space next summer so in their eyes they'd be spending assets now when they can get the player 'for free'. Maybe the Rockets would offer two from Terrence Jones, Nik Johnson, Motiejunas and picks, but losing TJones would harm. I am not convinced about a Harden-Bledsoe backcourt, but I said tthe same last year regarding Dragic.
And Brooklyn, well, unless it is Mason Plumlee I want nothing to do with them.
Re: Eric Bledsoe [RFA]
Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:43 pm
by virtual9mm
For what it's worth, some insider "news" from ClutchCity via RealGM. The guy is supposedly reliable:
Rockets working on Bledsoe with a lot of competition.
Morey doesn't want to give him more than 2 years at this point. He may have to cave.
I would love to see a Love-style bidding war. Of course the Suns won't get as much value in return. But I'd love to see what McD and Babby can get in return.
