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Yea well they also lost one of there own this week in Larry Sanders. Bucks have made some savy moves lately but they have also made there share of terrible ones (whats up O.J. Mayo)

cbesch5 wrote:in my opinion ennis, plum and Lal pick was too much to give up for Jennings, but im willing to see how it works out!

Fortunately it is Knight not Jennings that we traded for but either way, it seems as if we all agree that the pick was too much to give up for an upcoming RFA PG/SG. I do really like Knight though.

Btw.: Is it correct that we all worried about Dragic's trade value (especially after his stupid comments) when this was actually our best trade today?

Don't you guys think that there must be some sort of story behind all of this? I just cannot force myself to think that McD got trigger happy. What could have been his thought process?

The Boston trade could have been a favor for Danny Ainge for some stuff in the past or future and to get rid of somebody who just did not mesh with the other guys on the roster but the MIL/PHI Deal is just a bit too crazy for my taste and seems tilt on so many levels that I am really hoping to get an explanation for that. Please McD, Hornacek, Sarver, anybody - step up and tell the world or at least us fans why this had to happen? I am not angry. I just want to understand.

https://twitter.com/GavinSchall/status/568508971251707904

Bruiser wrote:

cbesch5 wrote:in my opinion ennis, plum and Lal pick was too much to give up for Jennings, but im willing to see how it works out!

Fortunately it is Knight not Jennings that we traded for but either way, it seems as if we all agree that the pick was too much to give up for an upcoming RFA PG/SG. I do really like Knight though.

Btw.: Is it correct that we all worried about Dragic's trade value (especially after his stupid comments) when this was actually our best trade today?

Don't you guys think that there must be some sort of story behind all of this? I just cannot force myself to think that McD got trigger happy. What could have been his thought process?

The Boston trade could have been a favor for Danny Ainge for some stuff in the past or future and to get rid of somebody who just did not mesh with the other guys on the roster but the MIL/PHI Deal is just a bit too crazy for my taste and seems tilt on so many levels that I am really hoping to get an explanation for that. Please McD, Hornacek, Sarver, anybody - step up and tell the world or at least us fans why this had to happen? I am not angry. I just want to understand.

I hope you guys are at the press comference flaming torches and pitch forks In hand. To me this reeks of us not not wanting a full rebuild and maybe sarver didn't want to go too far back ( pure speculation of course) We will just get spin about how we have solved the imbalance still have assets, maintain our current offensive system and knight has the chance to be an all star one day. I would pay money for someone to yell fix the paint At that presser

I don't know how I feel overall. I'm also grading it a TBD for now. But the biggest issue I have is the opportunity cost in trading the Lakers pick. Like RW said, that was supposed to be the crown jewel in a trade for a star. I'm not sure Knight qualifies as that star we've been waiting 5 years for.

When that star does become available, do we have a compelling enough package any more?

it's been 5 or 6 years since i've posted, but on this epic day i had to chime in...

this is the way i resolve the trades in my mind:

1. we (effectively) switched dragic for knight
- both will demand more money next season
knight, significantly less,
and he is younger with more long term upside potential
dragic is better now,
but knight will be a better shooting guard than dragic as a shooting guard.
he too often disappeared.
even at point i don't feel he was a strong enough leader.
though i did like him and was happy with him at point.
i also completely understand his discontentment,
but believe the poor communication was inexcusable by both him and mgment

2. we (effectively) switched a (guestimate) 9th pick (from lakers next year) and our 18th pick (ennis last year) for a 9th, 18th, and 25th pick in future years (real rough guesses, of course)

being that i had a good feeling about both ennis and the laker pick
i'd rather we kept what we had,
but
when you consider that the transactions help us dump plumlee and zorack's dead weight
and thomas' talented but disruptive weight
i'll call it an even trade off

so, in summation, my take is:
dragic for knight is a positive outcome long term
the sum of the other trades and picks is a push long term

or at least that's the way i resolve it so that i can sleep better tonight

Great post, tin. Please post more often. I can't say I'm happy about losing my favorite player on the team but I think I'll sleep fine tonight. It will be an interesting rest of the season to see how the new guys mesh. I just hope to see some better ball movement.

hey bone, you were always one of my favorites
and i think the new admin and moderators are solid too
and i appreciate that this environment is more controlled in regards to moderating hostilities

but i spend too much time involved in politics online
including my own forum for over 10 years
so i really prefer to listen in here
it's a good crowd with excellent insights

It's all good. Glad you weighed in!

https://twitter.com/paulcoro/status/568641259973128192

Happy to have fresh yet familiar voices on the board today. Welcome. Please, chill with us.

cbesch5 wrote:Has anyone taken the time to look at the trade ftom the Bucks perspective? They turned Brandon Jennings into MCW (first round pick 2 years ago, reigning rookie of the year), Miles Plumlee (first round pick a few years back) and Ennis (first round pick last year). By my count that's 3 first round picks for Brandon Jennings (an RFA) and we were only able to land 2 future first rounders for our 3rd Team All NBA guard.

in my opinion ennis, plum and Lal pick was too much to give up for Jennings, but im willing to see how it works out!

Actually I have. I believe they have made out like bandits. It's not that Knight isn't playing well this season, but they didn't feel comfortable spending more than what they offered last summer (those 9M per I didn't know about) and knowing he is good but not special, they chose to save themselves the troubles and they moved him for three pieces they will have an use for that also are rookie cheap. It's a terrific deal for them.

Not every trade has to have a "winner". I'd like for the Suns to be better after their trades, but it's fine with me if the Bucks are happy/better on their end after the same trade. Hopefully both teams come away happy and improved.

suns get to test drive knight before mcdo offers him the big contract.

Mori Chu wrote:Not every trade has to have a "winner". I'd like for the Suns to be better after their trades, but it's fine with me if the Bucks are happy/better on their end after the same trade. Hopefully both teams come away happy and improved.

I'm not saying Knight can't be good to the Suns, but before the deadline if you had posted a proposal trading the LAL pick alone for him, even knowing no IT3-Dragic, you would have been banned form your own forum.

If Knight had one extra year under the rooke scale and/or we didn't have Bledsoe, it would be much more palatable (although still fairly questionable), but pretty much like what happened with the Rockets and Aaron Brooks, this was a team that didn't want to spend on its player yet managed to extract excessive value at the expense of the Suns.

I am sure the 76rs don't trade MCW without the pick, but so be it. Do without them. If Ennis, Plumlee and a different pick was not enough for the Bucks, just let them deal with their restricted free agent next summer. Heck, after dumping Thomas and Dragic, the Suns themselves could have tried to make an offer sheet to get him for 'free'. Instead, we have made that problem ours so he can play 30 games in what has turned out to be a meaningless and dysfunctional season.

The only reason I am not blasting the move is because the player is talented, just 23 and allegedly a high character guy, so he could really live up to the steep price paid to acquire him. But strategically, this is not a sound move at all.

I'm still pissed about us trading away that Lakers pick, but I'll be much happier if we traded Bledsoe in the off-season and built around Knight, Len, and Warren. I think that's a good solid core to feature to the fans.

iLLmatic wrote:I'm still pissed about us trading away that Lakers pick, but I'll be much happier if we traded Bledsoe in the off-season and built around Knight, Len, and Warren. I think that's a good solid core to feature to the fans.

What's wrong with Bledsoe? Was it him holding out in the off-season? Is it his demeanor and lack of interaction with fans? It seems to me, and I'm no insider as to how people perceive one another within the organization, that his teammates get along with him, coach has no problems with him (and vice versa) and he gives a good amount of effort on both ends of the court (albeit with mental mistakes with his passes at times).

I think when the new TV money deals kick in, Bledsoe and his contact will look like a steal. I saw the other day that the Dbacks new TV deal brings them $1 billion dollars. That's insane.

I just wonder why so many, and the most vocal definitely being Informer, want Bledsoe gone, gone, gone and the sooner the better at that.

AmareIsGod wrote:

iLLmatic wrote:I'm still pissed about us trading away that Lakers pick, but I'll be much happier if we traded Bledsoe in the off-season and built around Knight, Len, and Warren. I think that's a good solid core to feature to the fans.

What's wrong with Bledsoe? Was it him holding out in the off-season? Is it his demeanor and lack of interaction with fans? It seems to me, and I'm no insider as to how people perceive one another within the organization, that his teammates get along with him, coach has no problems with him (and vice versa) and he gives a good amount of effort on both ends of the court (albeit with mental mistakes with his passes at times).

I think when the new TV money deals kick in, Bledsoe and his contact will look like a steal. I saw the other day that the Dbacks new TV deal brings them $1 billion dollars. That's insane.

I just wonder why so many, and the most vocal definitely being Informer, want Bledsoe gone, gone, gone and the sooner the better at that.

Bad knee. Bad contract. Makes poor decisions as a point guard - see assists to turnover ratio. Has a bad jumpshot, those are just a few off the type of my head why I don't want him here for our future point guard.

Superbone wrote:Great post, tin. Please post more often. I can't say I'm happy about losing my favorite player on the team but I think I'll sleep fine tonight. It will be an interesting rest of the season to see how the new guys mesh. I just hope to see some better ball movement.

Great post indeed. Helped me to find some sleep.
Thanks!

Bledsoe's demeanor seemed improved in the azcentral video after Goran announced his trade demand - relaxed, confident, open. Good to see.

As far as Bledsoe's turnovers are concerned - every time he has a bad turnover game, he follows it up with a very low turnover game. This tells me he listens to coaches. He's still improving.

Bledsoe gets a lot of rebounds and blocks for a guard. Typically a good defender. Tremendous finisher. I like that he doesn't need to score to have an impact on the game - it opens things up for other scorers on the team.