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JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:54 am

SunsSince92 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:37 pm

SunsSince92 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:58 pm

I'll go for 18 and 8

In his mind, that's 'Dominayting'.

Called it!

But did you have 4 assists for Ayton and 0 for Nurkic?

Split T wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:59 am

This is cool…great guy…just didn’t work out here on the court

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:02 am

Scoring wise, like most games I've watched of him this season, he was constantly getting open (or in deep sealing position) and calling for the ball, but they ignored him after the first quarter. He could have easily had 30+ points.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:16 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:02 am

Scoring wise, like most games I've watched of him this season, he was constantly getting open (or in deep sealing position) and calling for the ball, but they ignored him after the first quarter. He could have easily had 30+ points.

You mentioned the same issue in Phoenix. Why do you think that happens?

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:54 am

SunsSince92 wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:37 pm

SunsSince92 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:58 pm

I'll go for 18 and 8

In his mind, that's 'Dominayting'.

Called it!

But did you have 4 assists for Ayton and 0 for Nurkic?

Superbone wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:35 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:02 am

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:55 am

Jeremy: What are your thoughts about Ayton's performance in yesterday's game?

I thought he was very active on both ends, could have done better on the defensive boards but he was also defending a lot of shots (pretty sure he got the best of Booker the majority of the times he defended Book). Scoring wise, like most games I've watched of him this season, he was constantly getting open (or in deep sealing position) and calling for the ball, but they ignored him after the first quarter. He could have easily had 30+ points.

Another distinction people are also not making is that almost all of Nurkic's points came when Ayton was not defending him, while Ayton kept scoring on Nurkic.

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:33 am

I wouldn't say I have examined it meticulously, but when I've watched DA I see a mix of things.

- He sets extremely weak / shitty screens. He almost always fails to impede the man he's screening, then immediately "slips" the screen and goes toward the basket, but he hasn't shaken free of his man, so he isn't really open in any interesting position. Then he turns and puts his arm up like, "I'm open, pass it to me!" but he isn't. So they don't pass it to him.

- Or, they do pass it to him, but his man is still right there, and he gets the ball knocked away. Or he catches it, and he bobbles it and loses it.

- Or he does gather the ball but makes some kind of weak fadeaway move or otherwise doesn't actually have post footwork to get himself a good shot.

- So it kind of seems like his teammates learn/decide not to feed him in the post because it isn't actually a good outcome to do so. So they stop really even looking for him, and therefore on the occasions where DA -does- happen to get open or get great position, they miss him. But the deterioration has come over many previous possessions where he's lost his teammates' trust in those post situations.

Does that make sense? I think he basically teaches his teammates that they should not feed him the ball in the post because he will blow it. Then they start to just look him off.

TOO wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:49 am

What's more surprising, DAs 4 assists or Nurks 4 blocks?

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:00 am

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:33 am

I wouldn't say I have examined it meticulously, but when I've watched DA I see a mix of things.

- He sets extremely weak / shitty screens. He almost always fails to impede the man he's screening, then immediately "slips" the screen and goes toward the basket, but he hasn't shaken free of his man, so he isn't really open in any interesting position. Then he turns and puts his arm up like, "I'm open, pass it to me!" but he isn't. So they don't pass it to him.

- Or, they do pass it to him, but his man is still right there, and he gets the ball knocked away. Or he catches it, and he bobbles it and loses it.

- Or he does gather the ball but makes some kind of weak fadeaway move or otherwise doesn't actually have post footwork to get himself a good shot.

- So it kind of seems like his teammates learn/decide not to feed him in the post because it isn't actually a good outcome to do so. So they stop really even looking for him, and therefore on the occasions where DA -does- happen to get open or get great position, they miss him. But the deterioration has come over many previous possessions where he's lost his teammates' trust in those post situations.

Does that make sense? I think he basically teaches his teammates that they should not feed him the ball in the post because he will blow it. Then they start to just look him off.

Even if that's the case, it's inexcusable and the coach should not allow it. Especially if you're trying to help a big man develop offensively.

He had 2 turnovers last night. That's no reason to stop going to him when he's cooking.

Also: "Or he does gather the ball but makes some kind of weak fadeaway move or otherwise doesn't actually have post footwork to get himself a good shot."

He's shooting 57.4% on his attempts this season, and 59.6% for his career. How can "he takes bad shots" possibly be a valid excuse? And yet some of these inefficient chuckers in the league get as many attempts as they want without their teammates calling them out?

“That’s how he actually gets his opportunities: The guards create things for him,” Billiups explained. “So losing that in the first game really hurt him. Losing Scoot [Henderson] really hurt him, losing Malcolm [Brogdon] really hurt him. He’s not a guy that you just bring it down and throw it to 20-some times a game and let him just do what he do. That’s just not his game, at least not now.”

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:50 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:00 am

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:33 am

I wouldn't say I have examined it meticulously, but when I've watched DA I see a mix of things.

- He sets extremely weak / shitty screens. He almost always fails to impede the man he's screening, then immediately "slips" the screen and goes toward the basket, but he hasn't shaken free of his man, so he isn't really open in any interesting position. Then he turns and puts his arm up like, "I'm open, pass it to me!" but he isn't. So they don't pass it to him.

- Or, they do pass it to him, but his man is still right there, and he gets the ball knocked away. Or he catches it, and he bobbles it and loses it.

- Or he does gather the ball but makes some kind of weak fadeaway move or otherwise doesn't actually have post footwork to get himself a good shot.

- So it kind of seems like his teammates learn/decide not to feed him in the post because it isn't actually a good outcome to do so. So they stop really even looking for him, and therefore on the occasions where DA -does- happen to get open or get great position, they miss him. But the deterioration has come over many previous possessions where he's lost his teammates' trust in those post situations.

Does that make sense? I think he basically teaches his teammates that they should not feed him the ball in the post because he will blow it. Then they start to just look him off.

Even if that's the case, it's inexcusable and the coach should not allow it. Especially if you're trying to help a big man develop offensively.

He had 2 turnovers last night. That's no reason to stop going to him when he's cooking.

Also: "Or he does gather the ball but makes some kind of weak fadeaway move or otherwise doesn't actually have post footwork to get himself a good shot."

He's shooting 57.4% on his attempts this season, and 59.6% for his career. How can "he takes bad shots" possibly be a valid excuse? And yet some of these inefficient chuckers in the league get as many attempts as they want without their teammates calling them out?

Exactly what is he developing? Show me one thing he has even tried to do differently? Shoot a mid ranger with a sexier slimmer waist?

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:39 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:50 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:00 am

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:33 am

I wouldn't say I have examined it meticulously, but when I've watched DA I see a mix of things.

- He sets extremely weak / shitty screens. He almost always fails to impede the man he's screening, then immediately "slips" the screen and goes toward the basket, but he hasn't shaken free of his man, so he isn't really open in any interesting position. Then he turns and puts his arm up like, "I'm open, pass it to me!" but he isn't. So they don't pass it to him.

- Or, they do pass it to him, but his man is still right there, and he gets the ball knocked away. Or he catches it, and he bobbles it and loses it.

- Or he does gather the ball but makes some kind of weak fadeaway move or otherwise doesn't actually have post footwork to get himself a good shot.

- So it kind of seems like his teammates learn/decide not to feed him in the post because it isn't actually a good outcome to do so. So they stop really even looking for him, and therefore on the occasions where DA -does- happen to get open or get great position, they miss him. But the deterioration has come over many previous possessions where he's lost his teammates' trust in those post situations.

Does that make sense? I think he basically teaches his teammates that they should not feed him the ball in the post because he will blow it. Then they start to just look him off.

Even if that's the case, it's inexcusable and the coach should not allow it. Especially if you're trying to help a big man develop offensively.

He had 2 turnovers last night. That's no reason to stop going to him when he's cooking.

Also: "Or he does gather the ball but makes some kind of weak fadeaway move or otherwise doesn't actually have post footwork to get himself a good shot."

He's shooting 57.4% on his attempts this season, and 59.6% for his career. How can "he takes bad shots" possibly be a valid excuse? And yet some of these inefficient chuckers in the league get as many attempts as they want without their teammates calling them out?

Exactly what is he developing? Show me one thing he has even tried to do differently? Shoot a mid ranger with a sexier slimmer waist?

This is not like he’s in year 2-3…. This is year 5 and if he’s not gotten it by now, he never will.

I love when KD and book blame people for not developing them…. Great players don’t need others to develop them, they seek out the teaches and develop themselves. He has more ambition to develop his game in 2k tournaments.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:43 pm

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:39 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:50 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:00 am

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:33 am

I wouldn't say I have examined it meticulously, but when I've watched DA I see a mix of things.

- He sets extremely weak / shitty screens. He almost always fails to impede the man he's screening, then immediately "slips" the screen and goes toward the basket, but he hasn't shaken free of his man, so he isn't really open in any interesting position. Then he turns and puts his arm up like, "I'm open, pass it to me!" but he isn't. So they don't pass it to him.

- Or, they do pass it to him, but his man is still right there, and he gets the ball knocked away. Or he catches it, and he bobbles it and loses it.

- Or he does gather the ball but makes some kind of weak fadeaway move or otherwise doesn't actually have post footwork to get himself a good shot.

- So it kind of seems like his teammates learn/decide not to feed him in the post because it isn't actually a good outcome to do so. So they stop really even looking for him, and therefore on the occasions where DA -does- happen to get open or get great position, they miss him. But the deterioration has come over many previous possessions where he's lost his teammates' trust in those post situations.

Does that make sense? I think he basically teaches his teammates that they should not feed him the ball in the post because he will blow it. Then they start to just look him off.

Even if that's the case, it's inexcusable and the coach should not allow it. Especially if you're trying to help a big man develop offensively.

He had 2 turnovers last night. That's no reason to stop going to him when he's cooking.

Also: "Or he does gather the ball but makes some kind of weak fadeaway move or otherwise doesn't actually have post footwork to get himself a good shot."

He's shooting 57.4% on his attempts this season, and 59.6% for his career. How can "he takes bad shots" possibly be a valid excuse? And yet some of these inefficient chuckers in the league get as many attempts as they want without their teammates calling them out?

Exactly what is he developing? Show me one thing he has even tried to do differently? Shoot a mid ranger with a sexier slimmer waist?

This is not like he’s in year 2-3…. This is year 5 and if he’s not gotten it by now, he never will.

I love when KD and book blame people for not developing them…. Great players don’t need others to develop them, they seek out the teaches and develop themselves. He has more ambition to develop his game in 2k tournaments.

A developmental player should be making developmental player money. Mr. Max has supposedly developed based on his contract.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:50 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:00 am

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:33 am

I wouldn't say I have examined it meticulously, but when I've watched DA I see a mix of things.

- He sets extremely weak / shitty screens. He almost always fails to impede the man he's screening, then immediately "slips" the screen and goes toward the basket, but he hasn't shaken free of his man, so he isn't really open in any interesting position. Then he turns and puts his arm up like, "I'm open, pass it to me!" but he isn't. So they don't pass it to him.

- Or, they do pass it to him, but his man is still right there, and he gets the ball knocked away. Or he catches it, and he bobbles it and loses it.

- Or he does gather the ball but makes some kind of weak fadeaway move or otherwise doesn't actually have post footwork to get himself a good shot.

- So it kind of seems like his teammates learn/decide not to feed him in the post because it isn't actually a good outcome to do so. So they stop really even looking for him, and therefore on the occasions where DA -does- happen to get open or get great position, they miss him. But the deterioration has come over many previous possessions where he's lost his teammates' trust in those post situations.

Does that make sense? I think he basically teaches his teammates that they should not feed him the ball in the post because he will blow it. Then they start to just look him off.

Even if that's the case, it's inexcusable and the coach should not allow it. Especially if you're trying to help a big man develop offensively.

He had 2 turnovers last night. That's no reason to stop going to him when he's cooking.

Also: "Or he does gather the ball but makes some kind of weak fadeaway move or otherwise doesn't actually have post footwork to get himself a good shot."

He's shooting 57.4% on his attempts this season, and 59.6% for his career. How can "he takes bad shots" possibly be a valid excuse? And yet some of these inefficient chuckers in the league get as many attempts as they want without their teammates calling them out?

Exactly what is he developing? Show me one thing he has even tried to do differently? Shoot a mid ranger with a sexier slimmer waist?