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Yeah, he's not a perfect prospect, he has holes in his game that need to be worked on. I think the most important thing for Ball is putting him in the right offense with the right kinds of players surrounding him. That can go for almost anyone, but in his defense, he makes everyone else better around him, let's them play their strengths and puts them in the best position to score efficiently.

Split T wrote:He's not a great half court pg right now. He's got almost zero experience in the pick n roll and can't really create his own shot unless it's a step back 3. Letting him be a secondary ball handler would take pressure off him and allow him to develop those skills without forcing the issue. I expect he'll be a pretty dangerous spot up shooter as well.

It also takes his primary effectiveness away. Philly needs shooting and scoring, not a pass first pg. They need Monk.

ShelC wrote:I don't think I've seen this comparison thrown out there but Ball does kind of remind me of Shaun Livingston. He's a good halfcourt passer with designed sets and finding cutters, but had very little exposure/experience in the PnR. If he can play with a lead guard in a PnR offense and just stand in the corner and shoot, he can be effective. I don't see him running PnR and turning the corner or stepping into a jumper if the big lays back.

I think the PnR thing will Ball is way overblown. He has not played in an offense that runs the pick and roll, but a player with his vision and passing ability should be able to pick it up easily.

BTW. If we draft Ball, he is the pg from day one. I trade Bledsoe before the season starts. If they don't have enough confidence in Ball to do that, they should not draft him at 4. Having Bledsoe and Ball on the same team would be too awkward.

JCSunsfan wrote:

ShelC wrote:I don't think I've seen this comparison thrown out there but Ball does kind of remind me of Shaun Livingston. He's a good halfcourt passer with designed sets and finding cutters, but had very little exposure/experience in the PnR. If he can play with a lead guard in a PnR offense and just stand in the corner and shoot, he can be effective. I don't see him running PnR and turning the corner or stepping into a jumper if the big lays back.

I think the PnR thing will Ball is way overblown. He has not played in an offense that runs the pick and roll, but a player with his vision and passing ability should be able to pick it up easily.

BTW. If we draft Ball, he is the pg from day one. I trade Bledsoe before the season starts. If they don't have enough confidence in Ball to do that, they should not draft him at 4. Having Bledsoe and Ball on the same team would be too awkward.

You are saying this about a team that thought it was a good idea to have IT, Bled, and Goran, and followed up that snafu with having Bled and Knight (both starting PGs).

Indy wrote:

JCSunsfan wrote:

ShelC wrote:I don't think I've seen this comparison thrown out there but Ball does kind of remind me of Shaun Livingston. He's a good halfcourt passer with designed sets and finding cutters, but had very little exposure/experience in the PnR. If he can play with a lead guard in a PnR offense and just stand in the corner and shoot, he can be effective. I don't see him running PnR and turning the corner or stepping into a jumper if the big lays back.

I think the PnR thing will Ball is way overblown. He has not played in an offense that runs the pick and roll, but a player with his vision and passing ability should be able to pick it up easily.

BTW. If we draft Ball, he is the pg from day one. I trade Bledsoe before the season starts. If they don't have enough confidence in Ball to do that, they should not draft him at 4. Having Bledsoe and Ball on the same team would be too awkward.

You are saying this about a team that thought it was a good idea to have IT, Bled, and Goran, and followed up that snafu with having Bled and Knight (both starting PGs).

And drafted Ennis the same year.

In2ition wrote:

Indy wrote:

JCSunsfan wrote:

ShelC wrote:I don't think I've seen this comparison thrown out there but Ball does kind of remind me of Shaun Livingston. He's a good halfcourt passer with designed sets and finding cutters, but had very little exposure/experience in the PnR. If he can play with a lead guard in a PnR offense and just stand in the corner and shoot, he can be effective. I don't see him running PnR and turning the corner or stepping into a jumper if the big lays back.

I think the PnR thing will Ball is way overblown. He has not played in an offense that runs the pick and roll, but a player with his vision and passing ability should be able to pick it up easily.

BTW. If we draft Ball, he is the pg from day one. I trade Bledsoe before the season starts. If they don't have enough confidence in Ball to do that, they should not draft him at 4. Having Bledsoe and Ball on the same team would be too awkward.

You are saying this about a team that thought it was a good idea to have IT, Bled, and Goran, and followed up that snafu with having Bled and Knight (both starting PGs).

And drafted Ennis the same year.

I totally blocked that out.

can we pick and trade or sign and trade Ball or is there a minimum amount of time we must keep him?

You can pick him and trade him anytime before you sign him. After signed, there is a time period before he can be traded I believe.

Indy wrote:

JCSunsfan wrote:

ShelC wrote:I don't think I've seen this comparison thrown out there but Ball does kind of remind me of Shaun Livingston. He's a good halfcourt passer with designed sets and finding cutters, but had very little exposure/experience in the PnR. If he can play with a lead guard in a PnR offense and just stand in the corner and shoot, he can be effective. I don't see him running PnR and turning the corner or stepping into a jumper if the big lays back.

I think the PnR thing will Ball is way overblown. He has not played in an offense that runs the pick and roll, but a player with his vision and passing ability should be able to pick it up easily.

BTW. If we draft Ball, he is the pg from day one. I trade Bledsoe before the season starts. If they don't have enough confidence in Ball to do that, they should not draft him at 4. Having Bledsoe and Ball on the same team would be too awkward.

You are saying this about a team that thought it was a good idea to have IT, Bled, and Goran, and followed up that snafu with having Bled and Knight (both starting PGs).

Thats why I am saying it.

So you are saying what you want to happen, not what you think will happen? Or are you an eternal optimist?

Indy wrote:So you are saying what you want to happen, not what you think will happen? Or are you an eternal optimist?

I am saying it would be awkward because we did that before and it was awkward and we don't want to do it again.

JCSunsfan wrote:

Indy wrote:So you are saying what you want to happen, not what you think will happen? Or are you an eternal optimist?

I am saying it would be awkward because we did that before and it was awkward and we don't want to do it again.

Yes, let's hope we are not that obtuse to do it a 3rd time in 4 years.

ShelC wrote:I don't think I've seen this comparison thrown out there but Ball does kind of remind me of Shaun Livingston. He's a good halfcourt passer with designed sets and finding cutters, but had very little exposure/experience in the PnR. If he can play with a lead guard in a PnR offense and just stand in the corner and shoot, he can be effective. I don't see him running PnR and turning the corner or stepping into a jumper if the big lays back.

Not a bad comparison in terms of body shape and gait and some aspects of their games. Ball is a better distance shooter, though, no? And Livingston has become much better at posting up than Ball is, though I don't remember whether Livingston came into the league with that skillset.

I don't remember if Livingston had that skill either when he came in, but he was so skinny and light, I don't think he could have posted up if he wanted to.

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:

ShelC wrote:I don't think I've seen this comparison thrown out there but Ball does kind of remind me of Shaun Livingston. He's a good halfcourt passer with designed sets and finding cutters, but had very little exposure/experience in the PnR. If he can play with a lead guard in a PnR offense and just stand in the corner and shoot, he can be effective. I don't see him running PnR and turning the corner or stepping into a jumper if the big lays back.

Not a bad comparison in terms of body shape and gait and some aspects of their games. Ball is a better distance shooter, though, no? And Livingston has become much better at posting up than Ball is, though I don't remember whether Livingston came into the league with that skillset.

Livingston shot 1-3 from deep this season. I wonder how many guards in the nba played over 1000 minutes and only took 3 3pters.

Also, the thought had occurred to me of Bledsoe, Ball and Booker had we gotten the #2. I don't love that lineup because it's smaller, puts us at a disadvantage defensively and I don't think we'd have the perimeter scoring. Ball isn't going to be a scorer, per se, and Beldsoe isn't a good enough shooter IMO. Looking at our roster, we just don't have a lot of shooting.

Have we been working anyone out? Last workout I can find mention of is from last Tuesday.

Split T wrote:Have we been working anyone out? Last workout I can find mention of is from last Tuesday.

We are still trying to track down less talented brothers to bring in.

Indy wrote:

Split T wrote:Have we been working anyone out? Last workout I can find mention of is from last Tuesday.

We are still trying to track down less talented brothers to bring in.

That might come next year, but there is still time.

Why are we talking about Ball? He's going at #2 to the Lakers, almost beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Frankly, I'm more and more up on the idea of taking Isaac at #4. He's passing the eyeball test for some sportswriters I trust, and the forecasting algorithms have him at the top of the field in terms of upside.

He's got a non-trivial chance of being the best player coming out of the draft. Think Kevin Durant.