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Split T wrote:None of those guys have all 3. I think Ayton is the most athletic of that group. My point is that he'll still be elite when it comes to those traits.

Split T wrote:Ayton is 7'1 260 with a 7'5 wingspan and a 40 plus inch vertical.
Capela is 6'11 220 with a 7'4 wingspan and while athletic, I think Ayton is a step above.
Embiid is 7'1 250 with a 7'6 wingspan, so he has the size, but again, I think Ayton is more athletic.
KAT is 7'0 235 with a 7'3 winspan
Dwight was measured at 6'10 240 and a 7'4 wingspan. In his prime he was as athletic as Ayton, but his prime is gone.

Basically, Ayton is a little bigger than all, except Embiid, and I think a little more explosive as an athlete than all. Admittedly, this is nitpicking a bit as functionally he's not going to be overpowering or outjumping Embiid, but he's in that elite of the elite tier.

Flagrant Fowl wrote:I think it's unfair to compare Ayton to those guys after they've all been in the league for 2 or more years. We have to go back and look at them when they were college freshman.

Split T wrote:

Flagrant Fowl wrote:I think it's unfair to compare Ayton to those guys after they've all been in the league for 2 or more years. We have to go back and look at them when they were college freshman.

Most of those were their pre draft measurements, at least as far as height and wingspan.

Nodack wrote:I think arguing over who is better, Americans or Euros is silly.

UglyTruth wrote:

AmareIsGod wrote:

n4th4n wrote:Also, I can't believe people still believe that "gambling on a Euro" is a thing. That is some pretty regressive s*** right there.

Sorry. Darko and Zarko have left a bad taste in my mouth.

If you’re gonna play that game, what kind of taste did Greg Oden and Hasheem Thabeet leave in your mouth?

Sure Oden had injury issues which Ayton doesn’t yet but they have very similar builds and Ayton could start to develop bad knees and such as well.

Shabazz wrote:

Split T wrote:Ayton is 7'1 260 with a 7'5 wingspan and a 40 plus inch vertical.
Capela is 6'11 220 with a 7'4 wingspan and while athletic, I think Ayton is a step above.
Embiid is 7'1 250 with a 7'6 wingspan, so he has the size, but again, I think Ayton is more athletic.
KAT is 7'0 235 with a 7'3 winspan
Dwight was measured at 6'10 240 and a 7'4 wingspan. In his prime he was as athletic as Ayton, but his prime is gone.

Basically, Ayton is a little bigger than all, except Embiid, and I think a little more explosive as an athlete than all. Admittedly, this is nitpicking a bit as functionally he's not going to be overpowering or outjumping Embiid, but he's in that elite of the elite tier.

I think his vertical is higher than Embiid's or KAT's, but they're both more nimble and coordinated. Ayton seems a little bit stiffer in his movements.

The first three numbers drawn were, in order, 9, 12 and 6. High numbers put more teams in play. In general, the teams with the best lottery odds -- Phoenix and Memphis -- have most of the four-number combinations with 1s and 2s. In that moment before the drawing of the fourth ball, a bunch of teams held combinations featuring 6, 9, and 12 -- including Orlando, Cleveland (via Brooklyn), and Sacramento. I don't say this facetiously: The tension in those 10 seconds was very, very real. Out popped a "1," and the Suns had their first No. 1 pick in history -- a massive moment for a rebuilding franchise that hasn't yet derived much from three recent top-eight picks (Dragan Bender, Marquese Chriss, Alex Len).

The next two four-number combinations also belonged to Phoenix; the league scrapped those and drew again. "I don't know if I have any luck left," said Jim Pitman, the chief financial officer of the Suns (and GM of the WNBA's Phoenix Mercury). He has worked for the Suns since 1992 but never before been tapped for the lottery backroom. Why now? Pitman has won prize money (in the name of Phoenix Suns Charities) several years in a row in a closest-to-the-pin contest held as part of the Phoenix Open. Penny Sarver, wife of Robert Sarver, the Suns owner, considers this golf success proof that Pitman is lucky, he said. He got the job.

Pitman brought two good-luck charms: an autographed photo of Brittney Griner and Diana Taurasi, both of whom the Mercury selected No. 1, and a gold medal Griner won in the Russian professional league last winter.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

Shabazz wrote:

Split T wrote:Ayton is 7'1 260 with a 7'5 wingspan and a 40 plus inch vertical.
Capela is 6'11 220 with a 7'4 wingspan and while athletic, I think Ayton is a step above.
Embiid is 7'1 250 with a 7'6 wingspan, so he has the size, but again, I think Ayton is more athletic.
KAT is 7'0 235 with a 7'3 winspan
Dwight was measured at 6'10 240 and a 7'4 wingspan. In his prime he was as athletic as Ayton, but his prime is gone.

Basically, Ayton is a little bigger than all, except Embiid, and I think a little more explosive as an athlete than all. Admittedly, this is nitpicking a bit as functionally he's not going to be overpowering or outjumping Embiid, but he's in that elite of the elite tier.

I think his vertical is higher than Embiid's or KAT's, but they're both more nimble and coordinated. Ayton seems a little bit stiffer in his movements.

I think y'all forgot how dominant athletically Dwight was... He was easily a cut above all these guys in that department, and he played that way too, Ayton might measure better in a combine setting, but he doesn't play as athletic as he tests.

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:The question you can ask yourself about Doncic is: Would he be impressive to you if he had the same numbers as an NCAA player? If yes, then what do you think is the level of competition in the Euroleague exactly? Do you realize that it's a pro league that is *more* challenging than the NCAAs?

TheOriginalOriginal wrote: I think y'all forgot how dominant athletically Dwight was... He was easily a cut above all these guys in that department, and he played that way too, Ayton might measure better in a combine setting, but he doesn't play as athletic as he tests.

Furlanfufi wrote:

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:The question you can ask yourself about Doncic is: Would he be impressive to you if he had the same numbers as an NCAA player? If yes, then what do you think is the level of competition in the Euroleague exactly? Do you realize that it's a pro league that is *more* challenging than the NCAAs?

Not only that, you can add easily 30% more assists if he played in a league that rewards them like in the US.
He's in the center stage of the 2nd best pro league in the world, on Real Madrid. That club is nothing but legendary no matter which sport. The pressure of playing on that club is higher than playing in half of the nba teams.

wpmiller42 wrote:Honestly, I love them both. They both have such high ceilings, and I think neither one of them are likely to be busts barring any sort of injury. And they both fill such gaping needs on our team. I'll be really excited for either of them. I think if we draft Doncic, we make a hard play for Capela. If we go with Ayton, I think maybe we could try and swing a trade for a player like TJ McConnell and make a play for Cousins? I think Ayton and Cousins would compliment each other really well.

In my dream world, Doncic's camp leaks that he won't come over for any team but Phoenix and Igor, so we draft Ayton and work out a trade for Doncic on draft night.