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In2ition wrote:

carey wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:52 pm

In2ition wrote:

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:38 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:38 am

You're right, he's not a perfect fit. Clarke would be the fit, imo. I'm not totally opposed to Randle either. Let's face it, this team needs talent.

How is Clarke the fit? HE can't shoot!

His shot is coming around. He has the touch and his form has gone from "hide the children" to "alright, I can start to see something forming". Do you remember what Amare's looked like when he was drafted? I think Clarke's is already advanced further along.

I would hope so. Amare was right out of HS. Clarke is a 22-year-old junior.

I don't think it really matters the age.

carey wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:40 pm

In2ition wrote:

carey wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:52 pm

In2ition wrote:

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:38 pm

How is Clarke the fit? HE can't shoot!

His shot is coming around. He has the touch and his form has gone from "hide the children" to "alright, I can start to see something forming". Do you remember what Amare's looked like when he was drafted? I think Clarke's is already advanced further along.

I would hope so. Amare was right out of HS. Clarke is a 22-year-old junior.

I don't think it really matters the age.

Then I don’t understand your point, sadly. Because comparing a guy without a functional jumper coming out of HS to a guy who spent 3 years in one of the best developmental programs in college basketball seems weird.

In2ition wrote: My point was Amare had a really low release point when he came out, but it improved every year. He had to make incremental improvements to it until it became a good weapon and Clarke is further along in his improvements to his jumper.

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:13 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:56 pm

You're also entitled to your opinion as well. At the same time, based on what you are saying and your attitude towards this, you probably wouldn't have wanted Pascal since he was even more of a non shooter when he came out, and was worse than Clarke is now as early as even last year.

Saucey would have written Pascal off as a nobody, a scrub. He wouldn't have cared about the pick and probably would have campaigned to dump it.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:56 pm

I'm not saying that Ayton should be stuck outside because of Clarke, that's beyond silly and a misrepresentation of my feelings on this. Clarke's fit next to Ayton is perfect on the defensive side of the ball. I'm not sure of the fit you will find that has both the shot and is a defender right now, but maybe you have a suggestion.

Good points. Plus, I have confidence in Clarke developing his perimeter shot. The improvement he made in the year he had to sit out was incredible.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:56 pm

And saying Ayton will only be great inside seems shortsighted for his long term development.

I agree with Sauce. If Ayton becomes great, it will be because of his play on the interior. It's not saying he won't become a perimeter threat, it's just not the path to dominance.

Danimal wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:35 pm

There’s an article on bright side about doing some moves to get jr Smith’s contract and then waiving it. Cavs might be looking to shed some salary this year and they have a bunch of hold overs from their last finals run who are stuck in no mans land as they try to rebuild.
Actually it got me more thinking about getting Larry nance jr
Shot 33% from 3 last year, looks to be a decent weak side help defender. Fits our timeline. Any interest?

Danimal wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:35 pm

There’s an article on bright side about doing some moves to get jr Smith’s contract and then waiving it. Cavs might be looking to shed some salary this year and they have a bunch of hold overs from their last finals run who are stuck in no mans land as they try to rebuild.
Actually it got me more thinking about getting Larry nance jr
Shot 33% from 3 last year, looks to be a decent weak side help defender. Fits our timeline. Any interest?

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:06 am

Danimal wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:35 pm

There’s an article on bright side about doing some moves to get jr Smith’s contract and then waiving it. Cavs might be looking to shed some salary this year and they have a bunch of hold overs from their last finals run who are stuck in no mans land as they try to rebuild.
Actually it got me more thinking about getting Larry nance jr
Shot 33% from 3 last year, looks to be a decent weak side help defender. Fits our timeline. Any interest?

I like Nance; I'd give him a look. But the guy I'd really want to pry away from the Cavs is Kevin Love. I think he's been undervalued there and could be a great veteran PF presence on a young team like ours. I also think he'd benefit greatly from a change of scenery. Bad defender, but I like everything else he brings (3-point shooting, rebounding, good teammate, doesn't hog the ball, veteran leadership).

Split T wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:08 am

Ya, he’s too expensive, too old, and too injury prone. Nice player, but he kills our cap space for 4 years

Split T wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:23 pm

I wouldn’t hate Rubio, but if he’s our big addition, I’ll be disappointed.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:50 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:23 pm

I wouldn’t hate Rubio, but if he’s our big addition, I’ll be disappointed.

I’d take him on a 2 year deal if it meant we drafted a PG and spent our money on Randle

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:27 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:13 pm

No he isn't.

Correction - Clarke has a shorter wingspan. Both explosive leapers.

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:24 pm

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:27 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:13 pm

No he isn't.

Correction - Clarke has a shorter wingspan. Both explosive leapers.

Clarke is more athletic than Josh, tougher, and stronger. I started watching Duke vs. Gonzaga the other day. Clarke was going against Zion Williamson and Marques Bolden. He had something like 9 points, 4 rebounds, and 1-2 blocks in the first 10 minutes of the game. He spent most of the season playing the 5.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:43 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:24 pm

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:27 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:13 pm

No he isn't.

Correction - Clarke has a shorter wingspan. Both explosive leapers.

Clarke is more athletic than Josh, tougher, and stronger. I started watching Duke vs. Gonzaga the other day. Clarke was going against Zion Williamson and Marques Bolden. He had something like 9 points, 4 rebounds, and 1-2 blocks in the first 10 minutes of the game. He spent most of the season playing the 5.

Yeah, those guys are pretty big and strong and Clarke more than held his own.

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:04 am

In2ition wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:43 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:24 pm

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:27 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:13 pm

No he isn't.

Correction - Clarke has a shorter wingspan. Both explosive leapers.

Clarke is more athletic than Josh, tougher, and stronger. I started watching Duke vs. Gonzaga the other day. Clarke was going against Zion Williamson and Marques Bolden. He had something like 9 points, 4 rebounds, and 1-2 blocks in the first 10 minutes of the game. He spent most of the season playing the 5.

Yeah, those guys are pretty big and strong and Clarke more than held his own.

This is a different argument, but it might be a good one. If you are telling me a guy Josh Jackson's size or smaller could legitimately play PF given his toughness, I would be skeptical but open minded.

Still, it would be so much easier if you told me he had long arms.