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Ring_Wanted wrote:By definition, rebuilding is an exceptional situation

Split T wrote:Marvin Bagley had 32/21 today.
Wendell Carter had 14/16/4 with 4 blocks
Trae Young with 39/14
Mo Bamba had 22/15 with 8 blocks last night.

Split T wrote:Marvin Bagley had 32/21 today.
Wendell Carter had 14/16/4 with 4 blocks
Trae Young with 39/14
Mo Bamba had 22/15 with 8 blocks last night.

Split T wrote:Marvin Bagley had 32/21 today.
Wendell Carter had 14/16/4 with 4 blocks
Trae Young with 39/14
Mo Bamba had 22/15 with 8 blocks last night.

Split T wrote: You think so? We've had a number of guard prospects over the years break out as upperclassmen who have struggled in the NBA (Kris Dunn, buddy hield, jimmer) Was there college success more to do with their advanced age or did they actually improve. Their NBA struggles would lean towards their advanced age being the culprit.

O_Gardino wrote:Any interest in Bridges?

...It's possible Miles Bridges will be BPA at one of our picks.

INFORMER wrote:

O_Gardino wrote:Any interest in Bridges?

...It's possible Miles Bridges will be BPA at one of our picks.

I really liked him last year, but it feels like he has taken a step back this year, which is a bit disconcerting.

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
I agree that the youngs don't look good, and that it is hard to see much progress from them. But this stuff takes time. The young guys are still REALLY young. They should all still be playing in college. Look at Len and how many years he's had, and he's just barely starting to have his act together. I think it'll be a few more years before these guys really start to be who they're going to be.

I, for one, am seeing flashes from Bender that I really like. I love the things he's good at, and I think a lot of the things he's bad at are fixable and will get better as he gets lots of reps and minutes. I think he is good enough to be a rotation NBA player.

specialsauce wrote:Again, winning with the young guys being the focal point is a sign of growth and maybe we don’t need such a high pick.

That is NOT how we are winning. We are NOT Philly. We’re not even LA with Lonzo, Ingram and Kuzma having significant roles on the team.

JCSunsfan wrote:
Who is to say that Canaan or Daniels are not part of our future? They are not old. Same with Monroe. Maybe we decide to sign him instead of Len.

You want to lose a locker room and create discord? Give players playing time who do not deserve it. Reward bad play and create entitled youngsters who get starting positions and minutes just because they were drafted in a certain spot.

Ring_Wanted wrote: Take a look at the +/- from the games I listed. You'll see that the starters (Warren, Jackson, Chriss, Ulis and Chandler/Monroe) did terribly against the other teams' starters. It was the bench what 'saved' us in those very close games; a bench led by Canaan and Daniels, whose playing time was basically equal or bigger than Ulis and Jackson.

With the future in mind, instead of riding the (relatively) hot hand, I cut Canaan and Daniel's playing time some, putting the kids back in. This probably means I lose, but I'll take it. Why? Two reasons (all in theory, of course).

First, it helps the franchise as it puts it in a higer range come draft time. Everybody knows the draft is not an exact science and you can mess up any pick (just like you can stuck gold anywhere), but stats are pretty stubborn and say the higher you pick, the better chance at an allstar.

Second, it helps the prospects. By being tested extensively and failing, the kids can (hopefully) improve for the future. I don't want to see Jackson barely getting 20 minutes, just like I hated Bender's playing time last year (or Warren's rookie season, or Booker's first half of his). They are the supposed building blocks for this rebuilding franchise. By definition, rebuilding is an exceptional situation and it is going to have kids on the floor who don't deserve playing time in a regular team. Does this mean that I am spoiling them? Depends on how I handle this. If I am not making them learn from their mistake, of course they are getting spoiled (see Chriss). But if after they mess up the staff goes on theis asses to review mistakes, explain and drill concepts and point at ways to avoid said mistakes, that 'undeserved' playing time gets a purpose. This is what should be happening with our '17-18 rebuilding Suns.

The bottom line to me is that a handful of wins in december not only don't serve an inmediate purpose when they come on the backs of players like Canaan and Daniels as it doesn't help improving the kids, but actually hurt in the future.

Paradoxically despite the win, to me is a lose-lose situation.

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:I don't mind if Daniels has a great game. I think he's a keeper and should stay on our team for a long time. We need his sharpshooting.

INFORMER wrote:

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
I agree that the youngs don't look good, and that it is hard to see much progress from them. But this stuff takes time. The young guys are still REALLY young. They should all still be playing in college. Look at Len and how many years he's had, and he's just barely starting to have his act together. I think it'll be a few more years before these guys really start to be who they're going to be.

I, for one, am seeing flashes from Bender that I really like. I love the things he's good at, and I think a lot of the things he's bad at are fixable and will get better as he gets lots of reps and minutes. I think he is good enough to be a rotation NBA player.

Bender and Chriss just aren't that good. There are plenty of rookies this year that have already surpassed them. But the Suns will probably continue to play the age card for the next 2-3 years and we'll continue to waste time on them.

INFORMER wrote:I'm not saying don't play them; I'm saying don't keep them and certainly don't avoid adding more rookies or drafting a PF because they're on the roster.

INFORMER wrote:I'm not upset by the wins, but this is a great post.