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Cap wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:01 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:56 pm

It seems imo that the front office has decided that going after a max player is futile at this time. They will build from within and add productive vets in free agency and difference makers through trades that make sense.

Of course, when we talk about adding productive vets, we end up with Trevor Ariza and Ryan Anderson.

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:46 pm

We could offer a max contract to Kyrie Irving. >:-)

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:48 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:47 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:50 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:39 pm

If you can turn a package including the third pick in the draft into Kemba, Russell, Holiday, etc., I would trade it

On the other hand, if a team like the Hawks got the second pick and we ended up something like fourth, I wouldn’t hesitate to package the fourth and assets (Josh Jackson plus a second round pick) to move up and grab Morant.

Can't we just sign Kemba outright? Or would we not be able to have enough cap space? I guess we'd have to waive Johnson, which might be too much $ for Saver to absorb.

It isn't even close. It looks like he is going to get the max, and for him that is like 30M/season. Right now we have <5M in cap space, so we will have to rescind rights to guys like Holmes and Oubre just to be able to sign middling players. I think we can reasonably get to about 25M in space if we rescind everyone, and I guess we can stretch Tyler to get some more. But if we are looking at signing Kemba, he would have to be our only signing besides vet min deals (which means we still didn't address our huge hole at PF, and don't have any backup C anymore).

If we:

- rescind Holmes
- rescind everybody else not named Oubre
- stretch Tyler Johnson
- trade our 1st-rounder

Can we get to max cap space? I'm not saying that we should do that, especially the trading the pick part. I'm just wondering if it is mathematically possible to max Kemba and then re-sign Oubre using his Bird rights. It might make sense to consider it if our pick dropped to, say, #4 or #5.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:15 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:48 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:47 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:50 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:39 pm

If you can turn a package including the third pick in the draft into Kemba, Russell, Holiday, etc., I would trade it

On the other hand, if a team like the Hawks got the second pick and we ended up something like fourth, I wouldn’t hesitate to package the fourth and assets (Josh Jackson plus a second round pick) to move up and grab Morant.

Can't we just sign Kemba outright? Or would we not be able to have enough cap space? I guess we'd have to waive Johnson, which might be too much $ for Saver to absorb.

It isn't even close. It looks like he is going to get the max, and for him that is like 30M/season. Right now we have <5M in cap space, so we will have to rescind rights to guys like Holmes and Oubre just to be able to sign middling players. I think we can reasonably get to about 25M in space if we rescind everyone, and I guess we can stretch Tyler to get some more. But if we are looking at signing Kemba, he would have to be our only signing besides vet min deals (which means we still didn't address our huge hole at PF, and don't have any backup C anymore).

If we:

- rescind Holmes
- rescind everybody else not named Oubre
- stretch Tyler Johnson
- trade our 1st-rounder

Can we get to max cap space? I'm not saying that we should do that, especially the trading the pick part. I'm just wondering if it is mathematically possible to max Kemba and then re-sign Oubre using his Bird rights. It might make sense to consider it if our pick dropped to, say, #4 or #5.

Why does everyone forget about TJ Warren ?

Trading him to a team with cap space or involving him in a sign and trade is an easy 12M more room for us

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:15 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:48 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:47 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:50 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:39 pm

If you can turn a package including the third pick in the draft into Kemba, Russell, Holiday, etc., I would trade it

On the other hand, if a team like the Hawks got the second pick and we ended up something like fourth, I wouldn’t hesitate to package the fourth and assets (Josh Jackson plus a second round pick) to move up and grab Morant.

Can't we just sign Kemba outright? Or would we not be able to have enough cap space? I guess we'd have to waive Johnson, which might be too much $ for Saver to absorb.

It isn't even close. It looks like he is going to get the max, and for him that is like 30M/season. Right now we have <5M in cap space, so we will have to rescind rights to guys like Holmes and Oubre just to be able to sign middling players. I think we can reasonably get to about 25M in space if we rescind everyone, and I guess we can stretch Tyler to get some more. But if we are looking at signing Kemba, he would have to be our only signing besides vet min deals (which means we still didn't address our huge hole at PF, and don't have any backup C anymore).

If we:

- rescind Holmes
- rescind everybody else not named Oubre
- stretch Tyler Johnson
- trade our 1st-rounder

Can we get to max cap space? I'm not saying that we should do that, especially the trading the pick part. I'm just wondering if it is mathematically possible to max Kemba and then re-sign Oubre using his Bird rights. It might make sense to consider it if our pick dropped to, say, #4 or #5.

Why does everyone forget about TJ Warren ?

Trading him to a team with cap space or involving him in a sign and trade is an easy 12M more room for us

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:26 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:15 am

Why does everyone forget about TJ Warren ?

Trading him to a team with cap space or involving him in a sign and trade is an easy 12M more room for us

Trading him to a team with cap space can't clear 12M unless we literally take nothing back, like conditional 2nd rounders.

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:59 pm

Was going through and looking at per40 stats for all the first round prospects playing college ball and a few things stood out:

1. Zion is just head and shoulders above the field
30.6/2.8/12.0 with 2.9 stl and 2.3 blk with .68/.33/.65 shooting splits. Highest scoring rate, 4th highest rebound rate, highest steal rate, 4th highest block rate, 3rd highest fg%

2. Culver and Barrett are really close statistically
23.3/4.7/8.1/1.7/0.7 with .49/.33/.70 splits for culver
26.0/4.7/8.8/1.0/0.5 with .46/.31/.66 splits for Barrett

3. For a supposed defensive stud, Hunter has the lowest steal rate of all prospects and the 5th lowest block rate of the 18 non pg’s. His .53/.45/.79 shooting splits are nice though.

4. Clarke and Hachimura put up huge numbers at Gonzaga
24.5/2.6/12.1/1.7/4.4 with .70/.29/.69 splits for Clarke
26.3/2.1/8.8/1.3/1.0 with .60/.47/.75 splits for Rui

5. Lots of shooting at the 4
Bol Bol shot .56/.52/.76
PJ Washington shot .52/.42/.68
Cam Johnson shot .56/.46/.81
Grant Williams shot .56/.34/.82
Dylan Windler shot .54/.43/.85
I already mentioned Rui Hachimura and

6. Ja Morant is far and away the best pg prospect
26.8/11.0/6.2/1.9/0.9 with .50/.36/.81 splits
No other prospect had an ast/40 over 5.7

JCSunsfan wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:55 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:59 pm

Was going through and looking at per40 stats for all the first round prospects playing college ball and a few things stood out:

1. Zion is just head and shoulders above the field
30.6/2.8/12.0 with 2.9 stl and 2.3 blk with .68/.33/.65 shooting splits. Highest scoring rate, 4th highest rebound rate, highest steal rate, 4th highest block rate, 3rd highest fg%

2. Culver and Barrett are really close statistically
23.3/4.7/8.1/1.7/0.7 with .49/.33/.70 splits for culver
26.0/4.7/8.8/1.0/0.5 with .46/.31/.66 splits for Barrett

3. For a supposed defensive stud, Hunter has the lowest steal rate of all prospects and the 5th lowest block rate of the 18 non pg’s. His .53/.45/.79 shooting splits are nice though.

4. Clarke and Hachimura put up huge numbers at Gonzaga
24.5/2.6/12.1/1.7/4.4 with .70/.29/.69 splits for Clarke
26.3/2.1/8.8/1.3/1.0 with .60/.47/.75 splits for Rui

5. Lots of shooting at the 4
Bol Bol shot .56/.52/.76
PJ Washington shot .52/.42/.68
Cam Johnson shot .56/.46/.81
Grant Williams shot .56/.34/.82
Dylan Windler shot .54/.43/.85
I already mentioned Rui Hachimura and

6. Ja Morant is far and away the best pg prospect
26.8/11.0/6.2/1.9/0.9 with .50/.36/.81 splits
No other prospect had an ast/40 over 5.7

Darius Garland was universally considered a better pg prospect than Morant before this season started. He was injured early, but his early stats would not disprove that notion. He could end up being a real deal for someone. He was an excellent distributor in HS and an excellent shooter. The Suns need more of a sure thing.

NBADraft.net has the Suns taking Clarke with their second round pick. That will change.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:15 am

Why does everyone forget about TJ Warren ?

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:46 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:26 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:15 am

Why does everyone forget about TJ Warren ?

Trading him to a team with cap space or involving him in a sign and trade is an easy 12M more room for us

Trading him to a team with cap space can't clear 12M unless we literally take nothing back, like conditional 2nd rounders.

I'm always surprised at how people think it would be "easy" to shed 8-figures in salary, no big deal.

Wally_West wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:08 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:15 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:48 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:47 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:50 pm

Can't we just sign Kemba outright? Or would we not be able to have enough cap space? I guess we'd have to waive Johnson, which might be too much $ for Saver to absorb.

It isn't even close. It looks like he is going to get the max, and for him that is like 30M/season. Right now we have <5M in cap space, so we will have to rescind rights to guys like Holmes and Oubre just to be able to sign middling players. I think we can reasonably get to about 25M in space if we rescind everyone, and I guess we can stretch Tyler to get some more. But if we are looking at signing Kemba, he would have to be our only signing besides vet min deals (which means we still didn't address our huge hole at PF, and don't have any backup C anymore).

If we:

- rescind Holmes
- rescind everybody else not named Oubre
- stretch Tyler Johnson
- trade our 1st-rounder

Can we get to max cap space? I'm not saying that we should do that, especially the trading the pick part. I'm just wondering if it is mathematically possible to max Kemba and then re-sign Oubre using his Bird rights. It might make sense to consider it if our pick dropped to, say, #4 or #5.

Why does everyone forget about TJ Warren ?

Trading him to a team with cap space or involving him in a sign and trade is an easy 12M more room for us

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:27 pm

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:46 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:26 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:15 am

Why does everyone forget about TJ Warren ?

Trading him to a team with cap space or involving him in a sign and trade is an easy 12M more room for us

Trading him to a team with cap space can't clear 12M unless we literally take nothing back, like conditional 2nd rounders.

I'm always surprised at how people think it would be "easy" to shed 8-figures in salary, no big deal.

Trade him to Cleveland for JR Smith's non-guaranteed contact and the 25th pick (Houston's pick) in the draft.