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To me, I think this is in line with my perception of Rubios worth to the team, but maybe even more than that, it highlights just how incredibly inept our backup pg position was (outside of the bubble). While I was really impressed with both Payne and Carter's play in the bubble, I think the position we really should target in the draft is pg.
This. Rubio was 7th on the team in Usage %. He was good for our team this year. But any average starting PG in the league could do that for us, and give us the flexibility to add pieces to our team that we are missing. We have no depth.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:24 amI don't see it that way. Monty's .5 system calls for essentially every player on the court to be a part of facilitating the offense. This isn't a system where one guy dominates the ball and everyone is dependent on him. Each player makes plays for other. We saw it from Ayton, Saric, Cam, Mikal, and of course, Booker.
Rubio contributed to the success as well, don't get me wrong. And I think you need a capable passer at the point. I just wouldn't go as far as to say Rubio "makes the system work."
7th!Indy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:17 amThis. Rubio was 7th on the team in Usage %. He was good for our team this year. But any average starting PG in the league could do that for us, and give us the flexibility to add pieces to our team that we are missing. We have no depth.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:24 amI don't see it that way. Monty's .5 system calls for essentially every player on the court to be a part of facilitating the offense. This isn't a system where one guy dominates the ball and everyone is dependent on him. Each player makes plays for other. We saw it from Ayton, Saric, Cam, Mikal, and of course, Booker.
Rubio contributed to the success as well, don't get me wrong. And I think you need a capable passer at the point. I just wouldn't go as far as to say Rubio "makes the system work."
Oubre--if you think he is going to command 20M on the open market after this season, you find a way to trade him. His stock is too high to just let him play out the final year of his deal and go to the highest bidder with no compensation on our end.Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:20 amI woildn't try to fix what has proven to be not broken. Trading Rubio or Oubre is not something I'd actively pursue. We need a starter PF and another guard. We habe a high pick and around 20M in cap space. Finding a way to draft Haliburton or Toppin is my fist goal. Then I spend on Millsap/Woods/Ibaka or FVV, depending on what I did in the draft.
If we pay Oubre after next year, how would you extend Ayton and Mikal?Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:00 pmI am ok with paying Oubre next year, assuming we have doneee things right this summer (it is, added a PF aand a backup PG with the resources available).
As for Rubio, I just don't see anyone able to give us similar production for 9M per (that's MLE range; just not going to happen). With Rubio, we have been top at passing and transition. Moving him would be no minor tweak. Of course, if you can find me a move in the mold of Jason Williams for Mike Bibby, I am all ears.
Rubio would come off the books...you just gotta get Sarver on board. If we’re a good team, I think he’d do itIndy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:17 pmIf we pay Oubre after next year, how would you extend Ayton and Mikal?Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:00 pmI am ok with paying Oubre next year, assuming we have doneee things right this summer (it is, added a PF aand a backup PG with the resources available).
As for Rubio, I just don't see anyone able to give us similar production for 9M per (that's MLE range; just not going to happen). With Rubio, we have been top at passing and transition. Moving him would be no minor tweak. Of course, if you can find me a move in the mold of Jason Williams for Mike Bibby, I am all ears.
With moneyIndy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:17 pmIf we pay Oubre after next year, how would you extend Ayton and Mikal?Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:00 pmI am ok with paying Oubre next year, assuming we have doneee things right this summer (it is, added a PF aand a backup PG with the resources available).
As for Rubio, I just don't see anyone able to give us similar production for 9M per (that's MLE range; just not going to happen). With Rubio, we have been top at passing and transition. Moving him would be no minor tweak. Of course, if you can find me a move in the mold of Jason Williams for Mike Bibby, I am all ears.
) I'd cross when I get to it. Before worrying about a roster too expensive, I need to assemble a team that is credibly worth the trouble.I’d take this version of Mitchell though if he wants out of Utah. He’s been phenomenal.
That is a very solid point. I will concede that.Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:39 pmWith moneyIndy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:17 pmIf we pay Oubre after next year, how would you extend Ayton and Mikal?Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:00 pmI am ok with paying Oubre next year, assuming we have doneee things right this summer (it is, added a PF aand a backup PG with the resources available).
As for Rubio, I just don't see anyone able to give us similar production for 9M per (that's MLE range; just not going to happen). With Rubio, we have been top at passing and transition. Moving him would be no minor tweak. Of course, if you can find me a move in the mold of Jason Williams for Mike Bibby, I am all ears.
But that would be a bridge (
Just the comparison between him and Booker. They’re the top 2 young 2 guards in the league. They often get compared, to feel better about your guy, you knock the other one. Then it just keeps feeding into itself. If the other team is knocking your guy, you feel the need to knock their guy even more.
You don't think we need a better starter at PF? The kids are holding their own, but in my opinion, adding a player like Millsap, Woods or Ibaka gives the team a lift in comparison to keeping Saric-Baynes.Indy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:24 pmThat is a very solid point. I will concede that.Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:39 pmWith moneyIndy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:17 pmIf we pay Oubre after next year, how would you extend Ayton and Mikal?Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:00 pmI am ok with paying Oubre next year, assuming we have doneee things right this summer (it is, added a PF aand a backup PG with the resources available).
As for Rubio, I just don't see anyone able to give us similar production for 9M per (that's MLE range; just not going to happen). With Rubio, we have been top at passing and transition. Moving him would be no minor tweak. Of course, if you can find me a move in the mold of Jason Williams for Mike Bibby, I am all ears.
But that would be a bridge (
While trying not to over-react to 8 games... Cam and Mikal look like they can handle the 3/4 for the next few years. We have limited resources, and I think we should be investing it in back up 1/2 and 4/5. There may be nothing out there for Ricky. As INF said, PG is a pretty deep position across the league. Maybe nobody is interested in giving up good things for him at what he is getting paid. I would get that.
I would love to get an upgrade at every position. I think the only starters we have that you can legit say is in top 3rd of the league for their position is Book and Ayton. And I am all for trying to get Christian Wood here (I have been saying that for quite a while). I just don't see it as likely without moving someone on the team. And I wouldn't move Mikal or Cam Johnson* to make that happen (*unless there was more coming back our way).Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:42 pmYou don't think we need a better starter at PF? The kids are holding their own, but in my opinion, adding a player like Millsap, Woods or Ibaka gives the team a lift in comparison to keeping Saric-Baynes.Indy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 1:24 pmThat is a very solid point. I will concede that.Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:39 pmWith moneyIndy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:17 pmIf we pay Oubre after next year, how would you extend Ayton and Mikal?Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:00 pmI am ok with paying Oubre next year, assuming we have doneee things right this summer (it is, added a PF aand a backup PG with the resources available).
As for Rubio, I just don't see anyone able to give us similar production for 9M per (that's MLE range; just not going to happen). With Rubio, we have been top at passing and transition. Moving him would be no minor tweak. Of course, if you can find me a move in the mold of Jason Williams for Mike Bibby, I am all ears.
But that would be a bridge (
While trying not to over-react to 8 games... Cam and Mikal look like they can handle the 3/4 for the next few years. We have limited resources, and I think we should be investing it in back up 1/2 and 4/5. There may be nothing out there for Ricky. As INF said, PG is a pretty deep position across the league. Maybe nobody is interested in giving up good things for him at what he is getting paid. I would get that.