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Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:00 am

If we do waive and stretch CP3, I like making trades with Washington. Gotta think they go into rebuild mode and they might want Ayton.

Ayton/Shamet for Kuzma/Gafford/Wright

Wright/Booker/Kuzma/KD/Gafford

Then you’d have the MLE, BAE, TPE, and vet min exceptions to fill out the bench. Or find a 5th starter and move Wright to the bench.

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:53 am

That’s fair…but what’s the alternative? Ayton is also a high priced player that doesn’t seem to fit. There may be better options on what to do with Ayton, but we’ll have to see.

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:57 am

My other thought with Portland…there was that ridiculous talk about getting the 3rd pick for Ayton, but they also have another 1st rounder. What if we could do something built around the 23rd pick?

Nurkic/Simons/23 for Ayton/Shamet?

The 23 would be to take on the Nurkic deal.

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:26 am

Shamet is just the contract to make the salaries work

SunsSince92 wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:18 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:57 am

My other thought with Portland…there was that ridiculous talk about getting the 3rd pick for Ayton, but they also have another 1st rounder. What if we could do something built around the 23rd pick?

Nurkic/Simons/23 for Ayton/Shamet?

The 23 would be to take on the Nurkic deal.

Let's face it, Detroit is the only team in the league that would be willing to take on Shamet now

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:46 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:32 am

He did win a championship with Vogel in LA…though he was really bad the next year against us in the playoffs.

Kuzma isn’t perfect by any means(I would prefer Jerami Grant, but doubt he’s available), but he’s talented. He played good defense with Vogel in LA, he’s big, he can rebound, and he can score if need be.

Ya he probably needs/wants the ball more than you’d like, but his playmaking has also improved and Booker/KD are two of the best off ball scorers in the league.

I just think you have to be very careful with the type of big dollar, long term deals you get into going forward. The new CBA is very unforgiving, and the Suns just don't have the margin for error if they miss on a high-priced free agent.

Kuzma is talented and certainly wouldn't be a terrible addition; I just don't know if it would be prudent, and the Suns have done enough things that are not prudent.

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:04 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:53 am

That’s fair…but what’s the alternative? Ayton is also a high priced player that doesn’t seem to fit. There may be better options on what to do with Ayton, but we’ll have to see.

I like where the Suns are going either Ayton, trade him if there's a deal that is actually good, or rehab him if there isn't. My nightmare is the Suns trading him for a bunch of scrubs or mediocre role players on long term deals. I don't think this will happen given Vogel.

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:46 am

I don't know if I like the fit of Kuzma here. He'd want to play PF, wouldn't he? That's KD's position. I don't think you would play KD and Kuzma at the same time.

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:00 pm

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:46 am

I don't know if I like the fit of Kuzma here. He'd want to play PF, wouldn't he? That's KD's position. I don't think you would play KD and Kuzma at the same time.

I don’t see any issue playing them together. I think both can play 3-5

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:53 pm

I'd turn DA into Mitch Robinson, Fournier and either IQ or Grimes.

Phoenix Suns president of basketball operations and general manager, James Jones, has an idea on what type of team he wants to construct to compete for a championship next season.

“A team that shoots it, off-ball movement,” said Jones in an 1-on-1 interview with The Republic before introducing Frank Vogel as the new head coach Tuesday at Footprint Center.

“A team that can rebound well and put pressure on the rim. I know that seems very generic, but those are the areas of the game that if you’re effective in those areas, you give yourself a chance really good chance at winning with just good players. If you can do that with great players like we have with Kevin (Durant), Devin (Booker), Deandre (Ayton) and Chris (Paul), you increase your odds and that’s all you want to do. You want to tilt the odds in your favor.”

Superbone wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:57 am

virtual9mm wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:04 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:53 am

That’s fair…but what’s the alternative? Ayton is also a high priced player that doesn’t seem to fit. There may be better options on what to do with Ayton, but we’ll have to see.

I like where the Suns are going either Ayton, trade him if there's a deal that is actually good, or rehab him if there isn't. My nightmare is the Suns trading him for a bunch of scrubs or mediocre role players on long term deals. I don't think this will happen given Vogel.

Think Amare for Warrick and Turkyglue. That worked out well.