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INFORMER wrote:Exum would be a better target.

Hayward is a good player though. Calling him a star is bit silly. And what on earth is Phoenix Suns Insider?

lol. Anytime I see "insider" I assume it's someone with no sources whatsoever who just tweets to get fan bases riled up.

Superbone wrote:

JustWinBaby wrote:Coaches Wins for 2016/2017 Season: Watson versus the guys we did not interview.

Watson: 0
Mike D'Antoni: 0
Jeff Hornacek: 0
Frank Vogel: 0
Tom Thibodeau: 0
Luke Walton: 0
Scott Brooks: 0
Dave Joerger: 0

Totally meaningless unless they're all coaching the same players.

How should coaches be graded? None of them have the same players? I would like to know the ground rules prior to the season. I will be prepared for the excuses if the losses start rolling in as well as the accolades if we start winning.

If you evaluate the talent at this writing, I don't see a huge discrepancy in talent between any of the rosters, other than maybe Minnesota and Washington. With some wise moves and a little luck our talent should be in the top half of this list. All coaches are supposed to win games, aren't they? If Watson is as good as advertised he should be able to field at least a competitive team. I would expect at least a 500 record with Bledsoe, Knight and Warren healthy along with a draft pick or two and a free agent addition. If I were the owner I would expect at least that.

Prepare for disappointment. We're going nowhere with Bledsoe/Knight leading the ship. Coach be damned.

Stein has always been a Suns guy IIRC. I wouldn't be upset with Hayward for 4 and 13 if there's another deal for a later lottery pick so we can take a guy like Sabonis or a later deal getting rid of one of our PGs. Hayward's a nice player. Never thought he was a franchise, max guy when he got that contract but that deal will look better with the new cap. 4 and 13 could be a stretch for him, but it's also a weaker draft IMO and we could use his skillset at the 3.

I don't know if it's the system, team/players around him or what but he's proven to be pretty inconsistent. He can be a part of a big 3 and he and Booker would be two really skilled, high bball IQ players, but if Knight and Bledsoe are running the show...kind of moot. Still, I'll take Hayward on his deal over Harrison Barnes at more money.

UPDATE: Seems we've already been rebuffed by the Jazz on the deal. They're saying they're not interested in moving him. Would have have 4, 13 and a player to make the salaries match.

ShelC wrote:Stein has always been a Suns guy IIRC. I wouldn't be upset with Hayward for 4 and 13 if there's another deal for a later lottery pick so we can take a guy like Sabonis or a later deal getting rid of one of our PGs. Hayward's a nice player. Never thought he was a franchise, max guy when he got that contract but that deal will look better with the new cap. 4 and 13 could be a stretch for him, but it's also a weaker draft IMO and we could use his skillset at the 3.

I don't know if it's the system, team/players around him or what but he's proven to be pretty inconsistent. He can be a part of a big 3 and he and Booker would be two really skilled, high bball IQ players, but if Knight and Bledsoe are running the show...kind of moot. Still, I'll take Hayward on his deal over Harrison Barnes at more money.

UPDATE: Seems we've already been rebuffed by the Jazz on the deal. They're saying they're not interested in moving him. Would have have 4, 13 and a player to make the salaries match.

With Hayward's contract set to expire, that money's about to go from good to terrible. And we'd be giving up 8 years of rookie contract w/8-10 more years RFA - and either of those selections could turn into better players than Hayward. Likely? Maybe not, but with two selections, I think better than 50/50 that one of them is a better or equal player.

Utah isn't giving up their best white player since Stockton. They love him there.

OE32 wrote:

ShelC wrote:He wrote for the Daily News and was an "insider" before it was a thing to be and before the internet and social media. I always felt over the last 6-8 years tho that he was mostly off with just about everything and seemed out of touch. This seems about spot on tho.

So, the plan is to win now with shortsighted moves and then fire the coach after we've won a bunch so we can bring in Steve Nash, so we can have the pleasure of one day firing the greatest player in Suns history once the team inevitably falls back down to earth?

Sounds legit.

It does sound like a Sarver plan.

It sounds like Sarver has put McD on notice and said, "I fired a guy I liked because he couldn't coach the roster you put together." He may be setting up McD to fail with Watson and giving him one more offseason to get the roster shaken out.

I know we want to be positive as fans, but this is a broken roster, Watson isn't a high level coach, McD will be fired and Nash will be brought in as an exec for sales and marketing and we'll have a "fresh" start.

I mean other then that....

ShelC wrote: I know we want to be positive as fans, but this is a broken roster, Watson isn't a high level coach, McD will be fired and Nash will be brought in as an exec for sales and marketing and we'll have a "fresh" start.

Well that's depressing. Probably accurate, but depressing

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/nba ... er-8393965

NBA Finals' Biggest Loser: Phoenix Suns Owner Robert Sarver
BY MICHAEL TULUMELLO

For the second straight year, the epic battle between LeBron James and Steph Curry in the NBA Finals wowed American sports fans.

And for the second straight year, Suns fans could only watch with remorse.

Both teams have key figures who were jettisoned by Suns owner Robert Sarver.

Steve Kerr coached the Warriors to the title last year, won the NBA's Coach of the Year award this season with a team that won a record-setting 73 victories, then came within one win of another championship.

But in 2010, shortly after expressing his enthusiasm for staying in the job, he departed. This was at least in part because he wasn't offered a raise when his contract expired. Kerr also wanted more money for Suns coaches.

Sarver replaced Kerr with Lance Blanks, who had a stumbling tenure as general manager.

...

Another section about firing Gentry and replacing him with H****r while bypassing Majerle.

Then there's the case of David Griffin, a local kid (Brophy Prep, Arizona State University), who rose from media relations to the video room to the front office, where he served as right-hand man to GMs Bryan Colangelo and Kerr.

His departure was a morale wrecker for the rest of the Suns staff.

Now, he's the general manager for the Cavaliers. He helped rebuild King James' supporting cast on the fly, then made the harrowing (and ultimately rewarding) decision to change coaches in midseason, even though the Cavs had a 30-11 record at the time.

The NBA Finals drew massive audiences and were a thrill for everyone.

Except Suns fans, who got another punch to the gut.

ShelC wrote:It sounds like Sarver has put McD on notice and said, "I fired a guy I liked because he couldn't coach the roster you put together." He may be setting up McD to fail with Watson and giving him one more offseason to get the roster shaken out.

I know we want to be positive as fans, but this is a broken roster, Watson isn't a high level coach, McD will be fired and Nash will be brought in as an exec for sales and marketing and we'll have a "fresh" start.

people talk about the "spurs tree", but what about teh "suns tree"? for the last two years the warriors (kerr, welts) and cleveland (griff) has made it to the finals. i wonder what sarver thinks about this.

It's less like seeds from a tree, and more like rats from a sinking ship.

Cap wrote:

SDC wrote:

Ring_Wanted wrote:

virtual9mm wrote:I don't know why the Suns would not simply bring four rookies to camp. I'd ditch some of the veteran role players to make room, keeping them only to the extent that they'd provide veteran leadership.

Probably because they are still under the illusion of winning now.

my impression is that mcdo just wants to make the playoffs.

I just hope he doesn't pursue that goal at the expense of the long run.

I think that we would all agree with this statement.

ShelC wrote:It sounds like Sarver has put McD on notice and said, "I fired a guy I liked because he couldn't coach the roster you put together." He may be setting up McD to fail with Watson and giving him one more offseason to get the roster shaken out.

I know we want to be positive as fans, but this is a broken roster, Watson isn't a high level coach, McD will be fired and Nash will be brought in as an exec for sales and marketing and we'll have a "fresh" start.

If Sarver does that, I'm probably out. Lest we forget, McDonough and Hornacek were both considered the hottest candidates on the market when the Suns hired them. Nobody else to blame but Sarver if he snowjobs McD, who should be given a chance to grow into the job given how effective he has been some parts of the jobs (obviously not human relations, though).

virtual9mm wrote:
If Sarver does that, I'm probably out. Lest we forget, McDonough and Hornacek were both considered the hottest candidates on the market when the Suns hired them. Nobody else to blame but Sarver if he snowjobs McD, who should be given a chance to grow into the job given how effective he has been some parts of the jobs (obviously not human relations, though).

Another Cluff piece:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/h ... /84229404/

Superbone wrote:http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/nba ... er-8393965

NBA Finals' Biggest Loser: Phoenix Suns Owner Robert Sarver
BY MICHAEL TULUMELLO

For the second straight year, the epic battle between LeBron James and Steph Curry in the NBA Finals wowed American sports fans.

And for the second straight year, Suns fans could only watch with remorse.

Both teams have key figures who were jettisoned by Suns owner Robert Sarver.

Steve Kerr coached the Warriors to the title last year, won the NBA's Coach of the Year award this season with a team that won a record-setting 73 victories, then came within one win of another championship.

But in 2010, shortly after expressing his enthusiasm for staying in the job, he departed. This was at least in part because he wasn't offered a raise when his contract expired. Kerr also wanted more money for Suns coaches.

Sarver replaced Kerr with Lance Blanks, who had a stumbling tenure as general manager.

...

Another section about firing Gentry and replacing him with H****r while bypassing Majerle.

Then there's the case of David Griffin, a local kid (Brophy Prep, Arizona State University), who rose from media relations to the video room to the front office, where he served as right-hand man to GMs Bryan Colangelo and Kerr.

His departure was a morale wrecker for the rest of the Suns staff.

Now, he's the general manager for the Cavaliers. He helped rebuild King James' supporting cast on the fly, then made the harrowing (and ultimately rewarding) decision to change coaches in midseason, even though the Cavs had a 30-11 record at the time.

The NBA Finals drew massive audiences and were a thrill for everyone.

Except Suns fans, who got another punch to the gut.

There's also Rick Welts, who jumped ship pretty much as soon as he met Sarver. He now runs the business end for Golden State.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/repor ... rade-block

According to the Sporting News' Sean Deveney, the Suns would like to draft Providence's Kris Dunn with the No. 4 overall pick in Thursday's NBA Draft and have begun shopping Bledsoe:
Another young veteran who will be firmly on the trading block is Eric Bledsoe of the Suns, as Phoenix seeks to rebalance its guard-heavy roster and hopes to add frontcourt help. The Suns have interest in drafting point guard Kris Dunn of Providence with the No. 4 pick, which would give them a rookie to develop while cashing in on Bledsoe's value.

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