Around the League: The Offseason

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https://twitter.com/ailene_voisin/status/880121520038608896 Bogdan got $12M/yr?
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O_Gardino wrote:
Hermen wrote:Paul opted-in for the next season and is being traded to Houston, says Woj. Wow
Edit: for Beverly, Williams, Decker and a first rounder next year.
We got far more than that for a much older Steve Nash. The Clipps are still the clips.
What do we have to show for it?

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carey wrote:https://twitter.com/ailene_voisin/status/880121520038608896 Bogdan got $12M/yr?
Holy shit. That is not good for the market.

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In2ition wrote:
Superbone wrote:
In2ition wrote:Half the defense and double the offense.
??? Chris Paul is first team all-NBA defensive team along with Beverly.
It was a line by D'Antoni with his depiction in Game of Zones.
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djy2j wrote:I think if anyone can figure it out MikeD can. Mainly because of the offense so we'll see. I don't see how they DON'T make playoffs. It would take an implosion of epic proportions. It could happen but the odds are slim.

They are going to have to make another move for a forward. Milsap maybe. Their bench is real suspect now. Harrell seemed to be coming along but MikeD hates young guys and so he saw his PT evaporate.
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A+ social media game after Tim Quaterman was traded to the Rockets for cash.
https://twitter.com/trailblazers/status/880133241813876736
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Does anyone believe this?
Here's some information on the Chris Paul trade. First the MICRO:
Paul's relationship with Doc Rivers started to deteriorate rapidly after the Clippers acquired Austin Rivers. Several members of the team felt Austin acted entitled because his dad was both the coach and the President of Basketball Operations. In the view of the tenured players, Austin Rivers never tried to fit in, and when players tried to address the situation with him, he still did not respond the way the core of the team wanted him to. It led to resentment within the locker room, which often played out during games. One of Paul's biggest contentions with Doc was that Paul, and other players, felt Doc treated Austin more favorably than other players. He would yell at guys for certain things during games and practices, but not get on Austin in the same manner for similar transgressions.
But what really solidified Paul's dissatisfaction with Doc was a proposed trade involving Carmelo Anthony last season. New York offered Carmelo and Sasha Vujacic to the Clippers in exchange for Jamal Crawford, Paul Pierce and Austin Rivers, a deal to which Rivers ultimately said no. That event led Paul to feel that keeping his son on the roster was more important to Doc than improving the team. So, ultimately, Paul lost both trust and faith in Doc. As one league executive put it, "Chris despises Doc."
(I was also told that when Paul met with the team to inform them of his plans, Jerry West was not in attendance. It was only Doc and Lawrence Frank.)
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This move is a win-win for Chris Paul, and it was all part of a master plan. By opting into the final year of his current contract and pressuring the Clippers to trade him to Houston, Paul will be in the exact same situation next summer. He can re-sign with the Rockets for 5 years and $200+ million or sign a 4-year deal for about $150 million with another team. In addition, he will save several million dollars in state income tax.
Also, by being committed to the Rockets for only one season, it gives him a year to see if he can actually co-exist and pursue a title with James Harden. But even beyond that, this move gives Paul more flexibility to join LeBron James in 2018. If he stayed in LA or signed the max deal with the Clippers and forced them to do a sign-and-trade with the Rockets, Paul and LeBron could only join forces at one location. Now, they will have the ability to pick and choose wherever they want to go as a tandem, which could be Houston, LA {Lakers or Clippers (provided Doc is no longer with organization)}, or any other destination in-between.
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Doc is a turd and CP3 is a selfish dweeb, I believe all of that.
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carey wrote:A+ social media game after Tim Quaterman was traded to the Rockets for cash.
https://twitter.com/trailblazers/status/880133241813876736
https://twitter.com/bball_ref/status/880132448104968193
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I think it's an easy link to make but not sure how true. I have seen some bball people on social media saying Paul (and others) was tired of Doc. I think he's overrated personally.

I also don't think Paul has ever been a great leader or teammate. He just seems to rub people the wrong way, so it'll be interesting to see how he interacts with Harden and MikeD, who both are pretty non-confrontational.

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Indy wrote:
carey wrote:https://twitter.com/ailene_voisin/status/880121520038608896 Bogdan got $12M/yr?
Holy s***. That is not good for the market.
If it makes BASE's contract look marginally more tradable, I'm all for it. If anybody asks about his salary, it's just "Bogdan plus two.”
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I love the SM game from the Blazers (and BBallRef). That is wonderful.

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carey wrote:what really solidified Paul's dissatisfaction with Doc was a proposed trade involving Carmelo Anthony last season. New York offered Carmelo and Sasha Vujacic to the Clippers in exchange for Jamal Crawford, Paul Pierce and Austin Rivers, a deal to which Rivers ultimately said no.
Incredible that a President of Basketball Operations refuses that deal.

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carey wrote:Bogdan got $12M/yr?
Damn. Can't wait to see the crazy contracts handed out to this FA class.

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bajanguy008 wrote:
djy2j wrote:I think if anyone can figure it out MikeD can. Mainly because of the offense so we'll see. I don't see how they DON'T make playoffs. It would take an implosion of epic proportions. It could happen but the odds are slim.

They are going to have to make another move for a forward. Milsap maybe. Their bench is real suspect now. Harrell seemed to be coming along but MikeD hates young guys and so he saw his PT evaporate.

Wow, that's a crazy haul.
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https://twitter.com/TeamLou23/status/880135516963823617 Lol. Poor Sweet Lou.
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I've never seen a 7 for 1 (8 including pick) player trade in my life before. Anyone else?
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Is it not mostly expiring contracts? Just to make the salaries work?

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Well, that's the end of an era for the Clips. They came sort of close to going all the way a few years ago, but they weren't going to win a title with their current nucleus. I really don't like the whole Doc Rivers as coach/GM/President situation, and I don't like them having Austin Rivers on the roster, so maybe bringing in Jerry West will help with that.

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Weird to break up the Clippers without getting back better draft picks. Back to the lottery, I guess.

I agree with Marty and Shel about Doc. Nobody can do all the front office jobs and do them well. And Doc isn't even a stellar coach.
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