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In2ition wrote:I agree with this too.

And, it's not that I don't think Bledsoe is talented or valuable, it's just that I'd rather my pg be a pass first, eyes in the back of his head, wows me each night with his bballiq, gets his teammates involved and elevates their games, savant like control of pace and rhythm, can do everything on the floor to win type pg.

These types of PG's are incredibly rare. Chris Paul is probably the only one. We were very spoiled with Nash. There are plenty of PG's that have a lot of the qualities you mentioned, but I'd be wary of putting so much of our teams fate into the hands of 1 player. Id be just fine with a pg with good passing instincts who moves the ball around and can score if need be. I'd much rather have a team with 3 or 4 guys averaging 4-5 assists a game then a team with one guy averaging 10 and everyone else under 2.

Bledsoe is not ideal for that role, but he's not a black hole and his ability to get to the rim is very valuable. His shot has improved enough as well, that he can play off the ball and spot up. If he was 24 I'd think we were crazy to move him, but being 27, I do worry that his prime will not ever overlap with our team as a whole's prime.

Split T wrote:

In2ition wrote:I agree with this too.

And, it's not that I don't think Bledsoe is talented or valuable, it's just that I'd rather my pg be a pass first, eyes in the back of his head, wows me each night with his bballiq, gets his teammates involved and elevates their games, savant like control of pace and rhythm, can do everything on the floor to win type pg.

These types of PG's are incredibly rare. Chris Paul is probably the only one. We were very spoiled with Nash. There are plenty of PG's that have a lot of the qualities you mentioned, but I'd be wary of putting so much of our teams fate into the hands of 1 player. Id be just fine with a pg with good passing instincts who moves the ball around and can score if need be. I'd much rather have a team with 3 or 4 guys averaging 4-5 assists a game then a team with one guy averaging 10 and everyone else under 2.

Bledsoe is not ideal for that role, but he's not a black hole and his ability to get to the rim is very valuable. His shot has improved enough as well, that he can play off the ball and spot up. If he was 24 I'd think we were crazy to move him, but being 27, I do worry that his prime will not ever overlap with our team as a whole's prime.

I agree that they are rare, and I agree that you can't have all your team's fate put into the hands of one player. So, I'm good with all the young guys and how the team is currently being built, and just hope for that transcendent talent in this coming draft, ie. Ball. I'm not ignorant to the fact that the Suns still need other all-stars around this nearly mythical pg.

No harm it hoping to land that kind of talent. I just hope if we do, we build around him with pieces that aren't so dependent on him. That was one of our struggles with Nash, outside of the first year with JJ, we didn't really have anyone who could create offense for others. I think with Booker and Bender, we have some pieces that appear promising.

Ricky Rubio is a PG like that as well.

Anyone notice how all the PGs coming from the draft lately have just completely sucked?

The last half decent PG that came from the draft is probably Lillard in 2012.

I can't even think of any PGs from the 2012 drafts and on who have played like starting caliber players.

Guys like MCW, Burke, Larkin, Exum, Payton, Ennis, Mudiay, Payne, Rozier, Dunn, Grant etc have all turned into huge busts.

Very few like Smart, Schroeder and Russel have turned out mediocre at best.

I think college PGs are just struggling to play well in today's NBA.

UglyTruth wrote:Ricky Rubio is a PG like that as well.

great passer, great bball iq, but that's it. Can't shoot, doesn't put pressure on the D as a scorer, and hasn't led Minny anywhere. They have a worse record than we do, I have no interest in Rubio at all.

UglyTruth wrote:Anyone notice how all the PGs coming from the draft lately have just completely sucked?

The last half decent PG that came from the draft is probably Wall in 2011.

I can't even think of any PGs from the 2012 drafts and on who have played like starting caliber players.

Lillard for sure. Schroeder is ok. Russell is very promising. Smart has been ok

Split T wrote:

UglyTruth wrote:Ricky Rubio is a PG like that as well.

great passer, great bball iq, but that's it. Can't shoot, doesn't put pressure on the D as a scorer, and hasn't led Minny anywhere. They have a worse record than we do, I have no interest in Rubio at all.

I think his ability to set his teammates up has led Lavine to having the career year he's having this season.

Imagine if he could do the same for Booker and Warren.

UglyTruth wrote:Anyone notice how all the PGs coming from the draft lately have just completely sucked?

The last half decent PG that came from the draft is probably Wall in 2011.

I can't even think of any PGs from the 2012 drafts and on who have played like starting caliber players.

There does seem to be a lack of dominant ones. Lillard came out in 12 and I'd say he's pretty good. I suppose you could make the case Russel is a PG. The rest consists of the likes of Mudiay, Cameron Payne, Tyus Jones, Kris Dunn, Wade Baldwin, Murray and Ulis.

Split T wrote:

In2ition wrote:I agree with this too.

And, it's not that I don't think Bledsoe is talented or valuable, it's just that I'd rather my pg be a pass first, eyes in the back of his head, wows me each night with his bballiq, gets his teammates involved and elevates their games, savant like control of pace and rhythm, can do everything on the floor to win type pg.

These types of PG's are incredibly rare. Chris Paul is probably the only one.

John Wall is another one. If Washington continues to underachieve, gosh I would love to steal Wall away from them.

I'd give up one of Chriss/Bender and one of the Heat picks plus Bledsoe, Len, Tucker and maybe even our pick this season (top 5 protected) for him.

UglyTruth wrote:

Split T wrote:

In2ition wrote:I agree with this too.

And, it's not that I don't think Bledsoe is talented or valuable, it's just that I'd rather my pg be a pass first, eyes in the back of his head, wows me each night with his bballiq, gets his teammates involved and elevates their games, savant like control of pace and rhythm, can do everything on the floor to win type pg.

These types of PG's are incredibly rare. Chris Paul is probably the only one.

John Wall is another one. If Washington continues to underachieve, gosh I would love to steal Wall away from them.

I'd give up one of Chriss/Bender and one of the Heat picks plus Bledsoe, Len, Tucker and maybe even our pick this season (top 5 protected) for him.

IDK, that's quite a bit. I'd have to think about it.

Ya, I wouldn't even come close to doing that. Wall is a good player, but he's not a franchise player. The problem with Wall is that he doubles as the teams facilitator and it's primary scoring threat. It's hard to have a success with a setup like that. It works in Houston with Harden, but Harden is a better basketball player and the team around him is built perfectly to his strengths. It also works to an extent in OKC, but just because Westbrook is a freak. Now if you put John Wall on a team with a dominant big man, like Cousins or Anthony Davis, then you'd have something.

Split T wrote:Ya, I wouldn't even come close to doing that. Wall is a good player, but he's not a franchise player. The problem with Wall is that he doubles as the teams facilitator and it's primary scoring threat. It's hard to have a success with a setup like that. It works in Houston with Harden, but Harden is a better basketball player and the team around him is built perfectly to his strengths. It also works to an extent in OKC, but just because Westbrook is a freak. Now if you put John Wall on a team with a dominant big man, like Cousins or Anthony Davis, then you'd have something.

What?!? Gortat isn't a dominant big man? jk

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:I agree that a Knight/Millsap deal would be horrible for us. He'd probably net us a few wins, and he'd eat all the minutes of our young rookie PFs. And then in the offseason we either watch him leave or way overpay to keep him. Worst possible trade outcome.

it's a great way to unload knight's salary though.

where should Tyson Chandler go?

Portland, Houston, or Golden State?

Not that interested in Wall for that kind of package. I don't need a pure pass first pg, just one that has good IQ and knows when to pass, and Wall is undoubtedly one of the best passers in the league that constantly puts pressure on the D. But more importantly I want a leader out of the pg position, and I'm afraid that Wall is not that. All that talk about him being upset with Reggie's contract and Harden's extension and him not getting along with Beal on the court stuff, even though I don't believe in everything I read on the internet, the fact that this keeps cropping up means that it didn't come from nothing, and I don't want a pg that can't garner the respect of the guys that he needs to pass the ball to.

I'd love to have John Wall on this team. Would trade pretty much any combination of our assets to get him. That is a superstar right there, and you need one to be a good team. I don't think WAS will ever let him go, though.

I think Wall is cancer-ish. Not knocking his talent, which is phenomenal, but when I watch him play I don't feel like he enjoys the game or is having fun. Same goes for his teammates. As good as he is, he's never really elevated any of his teams.

ShelC wrote:I think Wall is cancer-ish. Not knocking his talent, which is phenomenal, but when I watch him play I don't feel like he enjoys the game or is having fun. Same goes for his teammates. As good as he is, he's never really elevated any of his teams.

Maybe Wall is sick of his franchise. They have been an impotent treadmill team for quite some time now and his FO has put a terrible supporting cast around him year in year out.

Wall is also almost criminally underpaid compared to some of his teammates and has had dumb-dumb coaches for a while. But I'll say that Curry has been a model citizen despite watching guys like Klay and Durant get way more money than him.