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TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

Shabazz wrote:It appears all it took for this place to switch to "sunshine and rainbows" mode was Superbone going on vacation. Makes sense.

Or it was that we hung tough with the Cavs with the kids playing alright and Knight getting limited minutes. It might have been that.

Nah. My thing makes more sense.

Shabazz wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

Shabazz wrote:It appears all it took for this place to switch to "sunshine and rainbows" mode was Superbone going on vacation. Makes sense.

Or it was that we hung tough with the Cavs with the kids playing alright and Knight getting limited minutes. It might have been that.

Nah. My thing makes more sense.

You're probably right.

Remember when tucker was supposedly locking down players? Just because he had like one good game against Davis?

Lol lebron literally had a smile on his face whenever he saw that tucker was the one guarding him. Scored on him like every single time.

Time to trade this defensive specialist that's also an offensive liability.

We should be having more fun than we are. I cannot help but blame the coaching. I think it will get better.

I have a hard time blaming coaching for us not having fun. It is probably all of the losing, and having a team poorly constructed for the young talent we have.

Indy wrote:

We should be having more fun than we are. I cannot help but blame the coaching. I think it will get better.

I have a hard time blaming coaching for us not having fun. It is probably all of the losing, and having a team poorly constructed for the young talent we have.

Mmmh I am not that sure. We have the kids to be an exciting team. Losing team for sure, but exciting. If the coach used them more (and better), our games would be at least interesting, in the sense of a Bucks, Minni or 76rs.

Instead, with very few exceptions, our games are very far from that, win or lose. The product is still terrible. The dumb has been limited, but the ugly remains in all its glory. All the iso, no passing. Unless you are offering me a prime TMac, Kobe or Iverson, it is going to be hard for me to be attracted to that brand of basketball, and that's not even getting into the no defense and mediocre shooting.

UglyTruth wrote:Remember when tucker was supposedly locking down players? Just because he had like one good game against Davis?

Lol lebron literally had a smile on his face whenever he saw that tucker was the one guarding him. Scored on him like every single time.

Time to trade this defensive specialist that's also an offensive liability.

Lets be honest here, there might be one person on the planet that can guard LeBron one on one.

Ring_Wanted wrote:

Indy wrote:

We should be having more fun than we are. I cannot help but blame the coaching. I think it will get better.

I have a hard time blaming coaching for us not having fun. It is probably all of the losing, and having a team poorly constructed for the young talent we have.

Mmmh I am not that sure. We have the kids to be an exciting team. Losing team for sure, but exciting. If the coach used them more (and better), our games would be at least interesting, in the sense of a Bucks, Minni or 76rs.

Instead, with very few exceptions, our games are very far from that, win or lose. The product is still terrible. The dumb has been limited, but the ugly remains in all its glory. All the iso, no passing. Unless you are offering me a prime TMac, Kobe or Iverson, it is going to be hard for me to be attracted to that brand of basketball, and that's not even getting into the no defense and mediocre shooting.

I dont really find tthe Wolves or Sixers games interesting personally. The Sixers especially, Embiid is fun, the rest of that team is a snoozefest.

Yeah, the Sixers are in need of good outside shooting. I would say that the Sixers probably take a big step forward next year, with some dynamic draft picks and a healthy Simmons. Hopefully Simmons is able to play this year.

Ring_Wanted wrote:

Indy wrote:

We should be having more fun than we are. I cannot help but blame the coaching. I think it will get better.

I have a hard time blaming coaching for us not having fun. It is probably all of the losing, and having a team poorly constructed for the young talent we have.

Mmmh I am not that sure. We have the kids to be an exciting team. Losing team for sure, but exciting. If the coach used them more (and better), our games would be at least interesting, in the sense of a Bucks, Minni or 76rs.

Instead, with very few exceptions, our games are very far from that, win or lose. The product is still terrible. The dumb has been limited, but the ugly remains in all its glory. All the iso, no passing. Unless you are offering me a prime TMac, Kobe or Iverson, it is going to be hard for me to be attracted to that brand of basketball, and that's not even getting into the no defense and mediocre shooting.

How is a team that will lose 2/3rd of their games, and playing with Knight and Bledsoe as their primary PGs going to have fun? You need to subtract players from this team for it to be fun.

Indy wrote:How is a team that will lose 2/3rd of their games, and playing with Knight and Bledsoe as their primary PGs going to have fun? You need to subtract players from this team for it to be fun.

Absolutely. But the coach can do things in a different way. For instance, if I were Watson I'd be using Tucker too, but wouldn't be giving him minutes in the high 30s on the regular. I'd use Bender like a mfkr and limit Chriss. Knight was a case where Watson actually did what many were demanding, making him the 6th man, but that's not enough. He can do more adjustments, and he needs to. I am assuming the coach is not getting instructions from above, but I can't be sure.

Ring_Wanted wrote:

Indy wrote:How is a team that will lose 2/3rd of their games, and playing with Knight and Bledsoe as their primary PGs going to have fun? You need to subtract players from this team for it to be fun.

Absolutely. But the coach can do things in a different way. For instance, if I were Watson I'd be using Tucker too, but wouldn't be giving him minutes in the high 30s on the regular. I'd use Bender like a mfkr and limit Chriss. Knight was a case where Watson actually did what many were demanding, making him the 6th man, but that's not enough. He can do more adjustments, and he needs to. I am assuming the coach is not getting instructions from above, but I can't be sure.

That is fair, I am just not sure how Ryan would take to that. He wants to get value for PJ and Knight, and needs them to play well to do it. It looks like it came to a head with Knight and he was sat for a while. That made him more active, and he has been productive here and there. Hopefully we won't be discussion how many minutes either are getting come February. I think this team would be a lot more fun to watch if we could free up those 20 mpg from Knight and give it to Ulis, and those 30 mpg from PJ and get more for TJ and Bender.

Indy wrote:That is fair, I am just not sure how Ryan would take to that. He wants to get value for PJ and Knight, and needs them to play well to do it. It looks like it came to a head with Knight and he was sat for a while. That made him more active, and he has been productive here and there. Hopefully we won't be discussion how many minutes either are getting come February. I think this team would be a lot more fun to watch if we could free up those 20 mpg from Knight and give it to Ulis, and those 30 mpg from PJ and get more for TJ and Bender.

Yeah, McD needs to act as soon as possible, but you can't trade alone. It's too soon for some teams. Hopefully the Korver move pushes other teams to look for help and we can trade Knight and Tucker. And again, I'll listen for Bledsoe, Chandler and Len as those three are our best bet to sell high.

Ring_Wanted wrote:

Indy wrote:That is fair, I am just not sure how Ryan would take to that. He wants to get value for PJ and Knight, and needs them to play well to do it. It looks like it came to a head with Knight and he was sat for a while. That made him more active, and he has been productive here and there. Hopefully we won't be discussion how many minutes either are getting come February. I think this team would be a lot more fun to watch if we could free up those 20 mpg from Knight and give it to Ulis, and those 30 mpg from PJ and get more for TJ and Bender.

Yeah, McD needs to act as soon as possible, but you can't trade alone. It's too soon for some teams. Hopefully the Korver move pushes other teams to look for help and we can trade Knight and Tucker. And again, I'll listen for Bledsoe, Chandler and Len as those three are our best bet to sell high.

Of those 3, the one I think we should part ways with first is Bledsoe. I think with the way he has been playing this year, he is at a peak. I am worried his knee is going to give out soon.

Indy wrote: Of those 3, the one I think we should part ways with first is Bledsoe. I think with the way he has been playing this year, he is at a peak. I am worried his knee is going to give out soon.

You are probably right, but on this one I am actually afraid the FO doesn't see the need to move the player.

Trades probably won't happen until the Feb. trading deadline.

Management sees that the Suns are only 3 1/2 games out of the playoffs (8th place) and more than likely figure Phoenix has a chance to make the postseason.
Especially with that recent impressive two-game win streak and the close loss to Cleveland.

Indy wrote:

Ring_Wanted wrote:

Indy wrote:That is fair, I am just not sure how Ryan would take to that. He wants to get value for PJ and Knight, and needs them to play well to do it. It looks like it came to a head with Knight and he was sat for a while. That made him more active, and he has been productive here and there. Hopefully we won't be discussion how many minutes either are getting come February. I think this team would be a lot more fun to watch if we could free up those 20 mpg from Knight and give it to Ulis, and those 30 mpg from PJ and get more for TJ and Bender.

Yeah, McD needs to act as soon as possible, but you can't trade alone. It's too soon for some teams. Hopefully the Korver move pushes other teams to look for help and we can trade Knight and Tucker. And again, I'll listen for Bledsoe, Chandler and Len as those three are our best bet to sell high.

Of those 3, the one I think we should part ways with first is Bledsoe. I think with the way he has been playing this year, he is at a peak. I am worried his knee is going to give out soon.

He's also hurting our lottery chances more than anyone else on the team, if that's a consideration.

I'd be very surprised if we move Bledsoe. He's far and away our best player and the main reason we win any games at all. I don't think management has any desire to completely bottom out and that's what would happen if we trade Bled.

Split T wrote:I don't think management has any desire to completely bottom out

They should look at your signature and reconsider.

Cap wrote:

Split T wrote:I don't think management has any desire to completely bottom out

They should look at your signature and reconsider.

I agree, as much as people hated what Philly did the last few years, it looks like it's probably going to work. Draft in the top 3 enough and you're bound to hit eventually. Okafor and Noel may not be stars, but Embiid looks like one and we'll see what Simmons ends up being. Not to mention, they are going to be adding two more top 7 picks in a loaded draft this year.

The Booker/Warren/Chriss/Bender core would look much better with another star talent or two.

LazarusLong wrote:Trades probably won't happen until the Feb. trading deadline.

Management sees that the Suns are only 3 1/2 games out of the playoffs (8th place) and more than likely figure Phoenix has a chance to make the postseason.
Especially with that recent impressive two-game win streak and the close loss to Cleveland.

This is as true as it is depressing.