Phx-Suns.Net

In2ition wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

JCSunsfan wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:Jay Triano is a turd. Do not be fooled. I know he's shiny and new, but he's just a polished turd.

And how do you know this? Here is what I know. Steve Nash loves him as a coach and he quit the Canadian team until they brought Triano back. So, now. I have a choice. Do I respect Steve Nash's opinion or OO's. Hmmm. We don't have much else to go on. We will later. So we will see.

You dont have to respect my opinion, I dont care. That's why we're all entitled to our own.

Triano may have grown leaps and bounds since his stint in Toronto, where he won like 35% of his games, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

I'm not advocating for Triano, because I'll admit to not knowing if he is any good or not. I'm curious what the roster looked like when he was coach in Toronto? 35% win/loss rate isn't good at all, but it needs some context imo.

They were the early Bosh/Bargnani teams, Jermiane O'neal, Jose Calderon, a few other decent pieces. I think even Marion was there during that time.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

JCSunsfan wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:Jay Triano is a turd. Do not be fooled. I know he's shiny and new, but he's just a polished turd.

And how do you know this? Here is what I know. Steve Nash loves him as a coach and he quit the Canadian team until they brought Triano back. So, now. I have a choice. Do I respect Steve Nash's opinion or OO's. Hmmm. We don't have much else to go on. We will later. So we will see.

You dont have to respect my opinion, I dont care. That's why we're all entitled to our own.

Triano may have grown leaps and bounds since his stint in Toronto, where he won like 35% of his games, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

OK. I was just wondering what the basis was on which you formed your opinion. Its his record in Toronto? Is that it? Or is there something else?

JCSunsfan wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

JCSunsfan wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:Jay Triano is a turd. Do not be fooled. I know he's shiny and new, but he's just a polished turd.

And how do you know this? Here is what I know. Steve Nash loves him as a coach and he quit the Canadian team until they brought Triano back. So, now. I have a choice. Do I respect Steve Nash's opinion or OO's. Hmmm. We don't have much else to go on. We will later. So we will see.

You dont have to respect my opinion, I dont care. That's why we're all entitled to our own.

Triano may have grown leaps and bounds since his stint in Toronto, where he won like 35% of his games, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

OK. I was just wondering what the basis was on which you formed your opinion. Its his record in Toronto? Is that it? Or is there something else?

His record in TO, is part of it, we were supposedly running his offense already is another reason. He's shown nothing to me that would indicate he's a good coach, interim or otherwise. So he's buddies with Nash, cool. The same Steve Nash that works for a different team and has nothing to do with the Suns, so the fact he's been a Triano advocate means squat in my book.

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

In2ition wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:

JCSunsfan wrote:

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:Jay Triano is a turd. Do not be fooled. I know he's shiny and new, but he's just a polished turd.

And how do you know this? Here is what I know. Steve Nash loves him as a coach and he quit the Canadian team until they brought Triano back. So, now. I have a choice. Do I respect Steve Nash's opinion or OO's. Hmmm. We don't have much else to go on. We will later. So we will see.

You dont have to respect my opinion, I dont care. That's why we're all entitled to our own.

Triano may have grown leaps and bounds since his stint in Toronto, where he won like 35% of his games, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

I'm not advocating for Triano, because I'll admit to not knowing if he is any good or not. I'm curious what the roster looked like when he was coach in Toronto? 35% win/loss rate isn't good at all, but it needs some context imo.

They were the early Bosh/Bargnani teams, Jermiane O'neal, Jose Calderon, a few other decent pieces. I think even Marion was there during that time.

Bosh, O'Neal, Marion, and Calderon is pretty decent if they were all together.

Triano's job is to get the team to play hard and develop the young guys for the rest of the year. If we lose close games while doing that, then so be it. It'll be for the betterment of our future. (If McD can nail the draft).

After a very, very small sample, it looks like Triano will be able to do it reasonably well. The real issue is what Sarver will do when April comes around. If he goes Dollar Store on us again and makes Triano the permanent head coach, we're gonna have the same problem in the not too distant future.

Cap wrote:

Shabazz wrote:

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:From Bleacher Report: How the Phoenix Suns Turned into the NBA's $1.1 Billion Running Joke.

It's no fun rooting for a laughingstock.

It seems everybody is laughing at Sarver, rather than the players or fans. It's widely recognized that he's the source of all the problems with the franchise. I don't like Sarver, so I don't take offense.

I'm not offended. The reality is he's the hardest thing about the organization to change. That's the depressing part. We all know if out team is ever going to break through it will likely be in spite of him, not because of him.

Triano took over part way through 08-09 with the bosh-bargnani-marion-calderon team and went 25-40. Then 09-10 he had a similar team and went 40-42. In 10-11, Bosh had left and you had bargnani and young Derozan. They went 22-60.

Split T wrote:Triano took over part way through 08-09 with the bosh-bargnani-marion-calderon team and went 25-40. Then 09-10 he had a similar team and went 40-42. In 10-11, Bosh had left and you had bargnani and young Derozan. They went 22-60.

I'm not sure it's possible to get more than 40 wins out of Bosh-Bargnani-Turkgolu-Calderon-Rookie Derozan

Agreed, he did about what I'd expect out of the rosters he had.

If Triano shows himself to be a really good coach, I'm not opposed to considering keeping him.

BUT.

They better do F--KING interviews at least, to see who is out there, who would come here, what our options are. If after that Triano is the best one, hire the guy. But don't just hand the incumbent the damn job again.

Also, he needs to hire a defensive assistant coach. Urgently. I don't think we have really any assistants who knock my socks off right now. Grab somebody from a good defensive team like the Spurs, Grizz, Heat, whoever.

Here is an interview with the guy who started the #SarverOut billboard campaign.

http://www.azfamily.com/clip/13848441/s ... -billboard

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:From Bleacher Report: How the Phoenix Suns Turned into the NBA's $1.1 Billion Running Joke.

and all sarver did was let mcdo run the show.

whose idea was it to

a) resign bledsoe after signing IT and drafting tyler ennis
b) trade IT for nothing
c) trade the laker pick for knight
d) hiring earl watson

Don't forget alienating Dragic and being forced to trade him. Trading Marcus Morris and then letting Markieff Morris submarine an entire season which then forced him to fire Hornacek. But of course, he couldn't just fire Hornacek, he fired a bunch of assistants first.

The McDo haters come out again. Here we go.

He's next on the chopping block!

And for the record, I've never been a "McDo hater". But there's a legit pattern of f-ups here that can't be denied. Other execs have been fired for less. He's been given the benefit of the doubt as a first time GM. Now he's hurting the franchise with his handling of players. Too many guys are leaving on bad terms. Dog bites ya once...

ShelC wrote:He's next on the chopping block!

And for the record, I've never been a "McDo hater". But there's a legit pattern of f-ups here that can't be denied. Other execs have been fired for less. He's been given the benefit of the doubt as a first time GM. Now he's hurting the franchise with his handling of players. Too many guys are leaving on bad terms. Dog bites ya once...

Same problems that we had before with other GMs under Sarver. The issue of how the players are treated starts and ends with Sarver. He alienated Joe J, Raja, Amare, Marion, Shaq, Mike D, Kerr, Rex Chapman, etc etc. Every season, no matter who the GM is, the Suns have HR drama. I don't deny that the roster is mismatched and the players are handled poorly. But I don't think dropping McD fixes that.

And the flip side is that Ryan he does draft talent better than any other Sarver GM, and he has historically gotten good value for guys when forced to trade them.

Let's be honest, the bar has been set pretty low for Execs under Sarver. But Sarver didn't sign IT. Sarver didn't put Dragic in a bad situation with Bledsoe and IT. He didn't sign Knight and Bledsoe to max deals. McD let the Morris Bros situation destroy a season and cost us a coach. He put the team and himself in that position. Now, he's done the same thing with Bledsoe, his signature move since becoming GM. And now he's trying to play tough guy by airing things out with Bledsoe thru the media, which I'm sure other players and agents will love seeing.

Sarver's screwed up before but the players you named left under different circumstances.

Thing is most of the moves that look bad in hindsight, were solid at the time they were made. IT was outstanding value, until Dragic got enough. The Morris Bros too, until they went fully retarded on and off court. Even Knight was defensible at the time, since we were trying to make the playoffs (don't get me wrong, I didn't like that trade and posted in that sense back in the day, but I get the context).

I get that excuses only go so far, but I truly believe McD is a good GM and we'll regret letting him go.

And above all, the problem is the owner.

ShelC wrote:Let's be honest, the bar has been set pretty low for Execs under Sarver. But Sarver didn't sign IT. Sarver didn't put Dragic in a bad situation with Bledsoe and IT. He didn't sign Knight and Bledsoe to max deals. McD let the Morris Bros situation destroy a season and cost us a coach. He put the team and himself in that position. Now, he's done the same thing with Bledsoe, his signature move since becoming GM. And now he's trying to play tough guy by airing things out with Bledsoe thru the media, which I'm sure other players and agents will love seeing.

Sarver's screwed up before but the players you named left under different circumstances.

Yes, the bar is very low. And when McD is gone, we will be back down to that bar.

Are you sure Sarver didn't sign those guys, or dictate the big pieces of the roster makeup? I just don't buy that Sarver is hands off. He has shown time and again to be very involved and to be a meddler. I think he is very involved in the makeup of the roster, and I think he is personally involved in contracts etc.

I agree about all of the problems you see, I just don't think McD is the source of them. If he gets a shot with another franchise, I think he'll look much better.

I would agree that Sarver is a huge hindrance for any GM. That said, I don't know if we've seen enough from McDonough to know if he's a good GM or a bad one. Some transactions seem indefensible in retrospect, but the Knight trade is the only one that looked abominable at the time.