Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:If you don't think your team can keep a marquee player after having him for a year, you might as well just give up and sell or disband the freaking team.
If you can't have Kyrie here for a full season and convince him to stay, the team shouldn't even exist.
Dear Mr Sarver,
The team is so bad, that we are all pretty sure no great player is going to want to stay. Kyrie wanted good coaching and good chemistry. We haven't had that since Steve Nash left. You are doing a bad job of running the team. Please hire somenoe to run it for you. Go back to San Diego, sit on the beach, and leave the Suns alone.
Thanks,
OG
The league needs heroes, villains... and clowns. -- Aztec Sunsfan
Hermen wrote:Here's a fun comparison of us and Boston since 2013, when Boston started their rebuild with Stevens and McD started his GM job here. The major things:
2013 draft: Boston got Olynyk at 13, Phoenix got Len at 5
2014 draft: Boston got Smart at 6, Phoenix got Warren at 14
We gave them Thomas
2015 draft: Boston got Rozier at 16, Phoenix got Booker at 13
2016 draft: Boston got Brown at 3, Phoenix got Bender at 4 (and Chriss at 8)
Boston signed Horford
2017 draft: Boston got Tatum at 3, Phoenix got Jackson at 4
Boston traded for Irving (and signed Hayward)
This is not a comprehensive list, there were loads of other picks from both teams that don't seem as important (lots of them are not with the teams anymore). I'm just amazed at how much better off Boston is compared to us. Looking at drafted players, are theirs even better? And they signed Horford, traded for Kyrie, players who most here (myself included) didn't really want to get at their price, they even salary dumped Bradley for a Morris (!). And now they rock.
They have a great coach, too. I think we've generally drafted better, but coaching is so important. So is fit. Horford and Kyrie fit with the kind of team they are trying to be.
I think it also matters that they play out East. Last season, they would maybe have been the 7th or 8th seed in the west. We'll see where they end up this year.
The league needs heroes, villains... and clowns. -- Aztec Sunsfan
Hermen wrote:Here's a fun comparison of us and Boston since 2013, when Boston started their rebuild with Stevens and McD started his GM job here. The major things:
2013 draft: Boston got Olynyk at 13, Phoenix got Len at 5
2014 draft: Boston got Smart at 6, Phoenix got Warren at 14
We gave them Thomas
2015 draft: Boston got Rozier at 16, Phoenix got Booker at 13
2016 draft: Boston got Brown at 3, Phoenix got Bender at 4 (and Chriss at 8)
Boston signed Horford
2017 draft: Boston got Tatum at 3, Phoenix got Jackson at 4
Boston traded for Irving (and signed Hayward)
This is not a comprehensive list, there were loads of other picks from both teams that don't seem as important (lots of them are not with the teams anymore). I'm just amazed at how much better off Boston is compared to us. Looking at drafted players, are theirs even better? And they signed Horford, traded for Kyrie, players who most here (myself included) didn't really want to get at their price, they even salary dumped Bradley for a Morris (!). And now they rock.
They have a great coach, too. I think we've generally drafted better, but coaching is so important. So is fit. Horford and Kyrie fit with the kind of team they are trying to be.
I think it also matters that they play out East. Last season, they would maybe have been the 7th or 8th seed in the west. We'll see where they end up this year.
The key is the coach and team chemistry. Stevens is a guru; meanwhile we have had three HCs over that period. Hornacek was second in COTY in '13-14, but the IT3 signing messed up everything. If there is one move I wish we did/didn't, it's getting Thomas into a situation where he was not needed/wanted.
ShelC wrote:Sorry but the whole "glad we didn't trade for Kyrie because we don't think he'd stay" is a loser mentality.
That's one factor and not even the most important (to me, at least). If Irving happened to be a C/PF or even a SF, my mindset would have been different. But I felt that fit with Booker had to be good (SF) or great (PF/C) to make the gamble worth it. This is why I've been pro Cousins in the past and more recently considering Drummond, despite neither big man being without concerns.
Hermen wrote:Here's a fun comparison of us and Boston since 2013, when Boston started their rebuild with Stevens and McD started his GM job here. The major things:
2013 draft: Boston got Olynyk at 13, Phoenix got Len at 5
2014 draft: Boston got Smart at 6, Phoenix got Warren at 14
We gave them Thomas
2015 draft: Boston got Rozier at 16, Phoenix got Booker at 13
2016 draft: Boston got Brown at 3, Phoenix got Bender at 4 (and Chriss at 8)
Boston signed Horford
2017 draft: Boston got Tatum at 3, Phoenix got Jackson at 4
Boston traded for Irving (and signed Hayward)
This is not a comprehensive list, there were loads of other picks from both teams that don't seem as important (lots of them are not with the teams anymore). I'm just amazed at how much better off Boston is compared to us. Looking at drafted players, are theirs even better? And they signed Horford, traded for Kyrie, players who most here (myself included) didn't really want to get at their price, they even salary dumped Bradley for a Morris (!). And now they rock.
They have a great coach, too. I think we've generally drafted better, but coaching is so important. So is fit. Horford and Kyrie fit with the kind of team they are trying to be.
I think it also matters that they play out East. Last season, they would maybe have been the 7th or 8th seed in the west. We'll see where they end up this year.
The key is the coach and team chemistry. Stevens is a guru; meanwhile we have had three HCs over that period. Hornacek was second in COTY in '13-14, but the IT3 signing messed up everything. If there is one move I wish we did/didn't, it's getting Thomas into a situation where he was not needed/wanted.
Because they assembled a team of complementary pieces. They have a good blend of young guys and vets. We assembled a collection of redundant pieces, none of which have a specific skill set that really stands out in today’s league. And we’ve taken the cheapest route possible. They made splashes with Kyrie and Horford. We paid for the corpse of Tyson Chandler.
sunshoopjunky wrote:I wonder how most people felt about Booker the first half of his first season. I feel like Jackson makes the smarter plays that I didn't see from Booker until last year. Could be coaching. But I think everyone can agree they are all only going to get smarter.
Jackson is going to be fine.
I am seriously worried about Jackson’s shot. It is really, really bad. If he doesn’t get that figured out, nothing else he does will matter. You can’t have a 3 that can’t shoot.
There's nothing to figure out. That's his form. Didn't change all of a sudden. He shot like that at Kansas, shot like that in June, shot like that in Summer League. That's who we drafted. He won't be an offensive threat/shooter for us.
ShelC wrote:There's nothing to figure out. That's his form. Didn't change all of a sudden. He shot like that at Kansas, shot like that in June, shot like that in Summer League. That's who we drafted. He won't be an offensive threat/shooter for us.
Sure there is. I don’t need it to look pretty. I just need it to go in. There are plenty of players that have significantly improved their shooting their first few years in the league. I will concede though that none of them had an ugly ass form like his. Who the hell let him go through high school and college shooting like that?
the consensus has been Glad McD showed some spine or McD seems to be petty. I not even sure where I stand smh but
https://twitter.com/sbordow/status/928328816761511936
bajanguy008 wrote:the consensus has been Glad McD showed some spine or McD seems to be petty. I not even sure where I stand smh but
https://twitter.com/sbordow/status/928328816761511936
He's not wrong, but the Suns front office does dumb shit every year that a leader wouldn't do. So maybe McD can tell himself some truth, too.
The league needs heroes, villains... and clowns. -- Aztec Sunsfan
You guys do realize Jackson is shooting 35% from 3 right?
It may not be pretty, but he's fine as a shooter right now. He's shooting better than Kyrie, Eric Gordon, Love, Westbrook, Monk, Hield, kuzma, Lowry, Lillard, among others.
The only players on our team shooting better are Daniels and Booker.
It may not be pretty, but he's fine as a shooter right now. He's shooting better than Kyrie, Eric Gordon, Love, Westbrook, Monk, Hield, kuzma, Lowry, Lillard, among others.
Dude come on. Out of that group, Jackson is the last guy I'd want shooting a 3.
It may not be pretty, but he's fine as a shooter right now. He's shooting better than Kyrie, Eric Gordon, Love, Westbrook, Monk, Hield, kuzma, Lowry, Lillard, among others.
Dude come on. Out of that group, Jackson is the last guy I'd want shooting a 3.
Fair enough, but Jackson is making them at a higher clip than all of them. You guys keep saying Jackson can't shoot, but you actually have no evidence for that other than his"scouting report"
People keep saying he can't shoot but he shot 38% in college and is shooting 35% in the NBA. At some point you've gotta start trusting the actual numbers and not just how you feel when he takes a shot.
