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Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:07 pm
by O_Gardino
Indy wrote:O_Gardino wrote:Indy wrote:Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:To me, trading away players and/or emphasizing young players is more like "Iron Chef." Here, chef, make something delicious (a win) with only these few ingredients (players). The chef is still trying his/her darnedest to make a great meal, they just have some constraints on them. And often, on Iron Chef and other cooking shows, they still find ways to make something good and interesting despite the constraints before them.
But actively walking in and telling the players, "We want to lose," is quite different. That's telling the chef, "I actually want you to cook a bad meal today. Can you do that?" That means the chef actually doesn't want to try to make something great, regardless of the ingredients. That is worse.
It isn't just that Cuban said out loud something you are supposed to think quietly in your head. It's that he actually told the chef he doesn't want a good meal, that he wants them to try to cook something bad.
But the rules are set up in a way where it is better for your business to lose big than be mediocre. Punishing people for using the rules to their advantage is disingenuous and places blame on others instead of you taking responsibility for your system. Grow a pair, mix it up, and
find a way to discourage coming in as a bottom 3-5 team. Reward teams that are middle of the pack instead of dead last, so teams are fighting to at least be average.
I'll say it again: it starts with ownership. Owners should be accountable to win 160 games in every 5 year span, or they have to sell the team. That solves the problem of tanking, and the problem of long term bad ownership.
But the league is run by the owners, not the commissioner. He works for them. So I don't think you will get a majority of white billionaires to tell each other they have to leave the club. Especially because being forced to sell depresses the market, and drives down valuations for the other teams.
I agree it's unlikely, but it's the best solution.
Out of curiosity, do you feel that if the owners of the league were not white billionaires the outcome would be different?
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:53 pm
by Mori Chu
Uh oh. Jimmy Butler knee injury. :-/
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:02 am
by O_Gardino
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Uh oh. Jimmy Butler knee injury. :-/
God damn this season.
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:16 am
by The Bobster
What's the likely outcome of the sexual harassment mess in Dallas? Are we going to see penalties similar to what Minnesota got for conspiring with Joe Smith to circumvent the salary cap? (Suspension of the owner, a massive fine and loss of multiple first-round draft choices). The only other thing I can think of that's comparable is the Donald Sterling, but I doubt they would force Cuban to sell the team, mainly because Sterling was in a league of his own when it came to deplorable behavior. Cuban's seems to be more a case of extremely poor judgement and lack of control withing the organization. I would guess that it will include a suspension (since fines seem to have little impact on his behavior in the past) and loss of draft picks.
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:38 am
by The Bobster
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:08 am
by O_Gardino
The Bobster wrote:What's the likely outcome of the sexual harassment mess in Dallas? Are we going to see penalties similar to what Minnesota got for conspiring with Joe Smith to circumvent the salary cap? (Suspension of the owner, a massive fine and loss of multiple first-round draft choices). The only other thing I can think of that's comparable is the Donald Sterling, but I doubt they would force Cuban to sell the team, mainly because Sterling was in a league of his own when it came to deplorable behavior. Cuban's seems to be more a case of extremely poor judgement and lack of control withing the organization. I would guess that it will include a suspension (since fines seem to have little impact on his behavior in the past) and loss of draft picks.
This is the same league that just sold a franchise to a russian dude who is famous for sexual misconduct and shady business. The league doesn't want to do anything, but if there is a big enough outcry they may have to.
The Sterling situation was different because he was a terrible owner who was also extremely old and showing signs of legit dementia. They wanted him out, his wife wanted him out, everyone wanted him out.
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:40 pm
by Mori Chu
My guess is that if Cuban takes public steps to address the situation, that the league will just slap a cash fine on them and call it a day.
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:41 pm
by Superbone
Makes sense. Cuban always struck me as an overaged frat boy.
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:35 pm
by bajanguy008
O_Gardino wrote:Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Uh oh. Jimmy Butler knee injury. :-/
God damn this season.
Looks like Butler "only" has a meniscus injury based on early reports
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:48 pm
by Split T
The question now is if he repairs it or removes it. Will determine if he plays again this year
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:48 pm
by Mori Chu
99% chance he has it removed, plays out the season averaging 38 min/game, and is never the same afterward. #Thibs
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:17 pm
by Superbone
Split T wrote:The question now is if he repairs it or removes it. Will determine if he plays again this year
Remove it? You mean clean up the tear?
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:20 pm
by Split T
Superbone wrote:Split T wrote:The question now is if he repairs it or removes it. Will determine if he plays again this year
Remove it? You mean clean up the tear?
They often just remove the damaged part of the meniscus. Recovery is much quicker (see Brandon Roy playing in the playoffs against us like 9 days after surgery) but could lead to more problems down the road. (See Brandon Roy out of the NBA before 30, although Roy had a lot of other knee issues that played a role)
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:43 pm
by Superbone
Split T wrote:Superbone wrote:Split T wrote:The question now is if he repairs it or removes it. Will determine if he plays again this year
Remove it? You mean clean up the tear?
They often just remove the damaged part of the meniscus. Recovery is much quicker (see Brandon Roy playing in the playoffs against us like 9 days after surgery) but could lead to more problems down the road. (See Brandon Roy out of the NBA before 30, although Roy had a lot of other knee issues that played a role)
I know all about it having had my meniscus cleaned up in early 2017. However, you said remove it as in remove the entire meniscus. I now understand what you meant.
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:33 pm
by Split T
Superbone wrote:Split T wrote:Superbone wrote:Split T wrote:The question now is if he repairs it or removes it. Will determine if he plays again this year
Remove it? You mean clean up the tear?
They often just remove the damaged part of the meniscus. Recovery is much quicker (see Brandon Roy playing in the playoffs against us like 9 days after surgery) but could lead to more problems down the road. (See Brandon Roy out of the NBA before 30, although Roy had a lot of other knee issues that played a role)
I know all about it having had my meniscus cleaned up in early 2017. However, you said remove it as in remove the entire meniscus. I now understand what you meant.
Gotcha. Reports are saying he's out 4-6 weeks, so that sounds more like a removal of the damaged part than a repair.
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:13 pm
by Superbone
Split T wrote:Superbone wrote:Split T wrote:Superbone wrote:Split T wrote:The question now is if he repairs it or removes it. Will determine if he plays again this year
Remove it? You mean clean up the tear?
They often just remove the damaged part of the meniscus. Recovery is much quicker (see Brandon Roy playing in the playoffs against us like 9 days after surgery) but could lead to more problems down the road. (See Brandon Roy out of the NBA before 30, although Roy had a lot of other knee issues that played a role)
I know all about it having had my meniscus cleaned up in early 2017. However, you said remove it as in remove the entire meniscus. I now understand what you meant.
Gotcha. Reports are saying he's out 4-6 weeks, so that sounds more like a removal of the damaged part than a repair.
Yep, that was my timeline.

On the other hand, Williams had the repair and it's more like 4-6 months.
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:40 pm
by carey
https://twitter.com/TheAspenTimes/status/967920397076152320
Oh no

Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:23 pm
by Mori Chu
Oh wow, that's sad about Fegan. Didn't he currently rep a lot of NBA players?
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:24 pm
by Mori Chu
I also wanted to quote this tweet. I would love if we could get Fizdale to coach here. Maybe we can sneak in and nab him while Lebron is still making up his mind about the Lakers vs everybody else:
https://twitter.com/Espo/status/967927899255848960
Re: Around the League: Week 19 2/19-2/25
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:19 pm
by specialsauce
Not sure what the appeal of Fiz is. He did a mediocre job with a Grizzlies team. He doesn't believe in analytics in a time when it is at it's premium and has transformed the league. His halftime analysis just now was "lots of assists, that ball is poppin' and they are making shots."