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Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:46 am
by ShelC
I think Ayton's body, athleticism, offensive skillset (right now) and rebounding are similar to Patrick Ewing. He'll never be KAT or AD. LMA is a decent comparison but Ayton's size and rebounding makes him that much more valuable, even if he's deemed "not impactful". He can sleepwalk his way to 20/10. The question is, and will be, his defense.
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:37 am
by Cap
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:23 am
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:40 am
I’ve started looking at Ayton as a LaMarcus Aldridge type player. It’s easier to envision him having that type of career than turning into KAT/Embiid. Now if he becomes KAT/Embiid, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
That is probably a fair comparison. But nobody is scared of LMA. You might game-plan around him a bit, but if he is the best player on the other team, you like you chances. I am hoping he comes in and proves me completely wrong. I want him to show he can change a game on both ends of the floor.
I sure wouldn’t take LMA over Luka.
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:45 am
by specialsauce
Cap wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:37 am
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:23 am
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:40 am
I’ve started looking at Ayton as a LaMarcus Aldridge type player. It’s easier to envision him having that type of career than turning into KAT/Embiid. Now if he becomes KAT/Embiid, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
That is probably a fair comparison. But nobody is scared of LMA. You might game-plan around him a bit, but if he is the best player on the other team, you like you chances. I am hoping he comes in and proves me completely wrong. I want him to show he can change a game on both ends of the floor.
I sure wouldn’t take LMA over Luka.
Old take man, get with the times it is what it is! Don’t bust out a stale chip!
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:56 am
by Superbone
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:35 am
Wally_West wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
I just think this Ayton criticism so overblown. He has only been in the league 1 year and preseason with a whole new cast of characters, where he played limited minutes with key players missing every game. I get wanting Ayton to be super aggressive but that just may never be him. Is that really the end of the world though? He probably would have average 20pts last year if that team was just mediocre at passing. The dude is so gifted offensively already, if his defense can just be mediocre then the dude is gonna be a regular at the all-star game. If he getting 20-25pts consistently then does it really matter if it’s by mid-range shots and lay-ups instead of monstrous dunks? As long as he is efficient and effective, I don’t care what he says before or after games.
Well TJ Warren was averaging 20 points per game for us before and it didn't impact the game at all. That is what I am worried about with Ayton. Getting 20 and 12 but having no impact would not be a good outcome. I hope that changes and see ways it certainly can, but not without him being aggressive. You see it in his FTA numbers, too. He only shot 2.7 free throws per game last year, even though he took over 12 shots a game. Other bigs on our team last year were much higher per FGA and per minute. On a per-minute basis, he shot 11th most FTA per game, while he was third highest in minutes and 2nd highest in FGAs.
He shot 0 FTs this preseason. That's mind boggling.
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:57 am
by Superbone
specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:45 am
Cap wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:37 am
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:23 am
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:40 am
I’ve started looking at Ayton as a LaMarcus Aldridge type player. It’s easier to envision him having that type of career than turning into KAT/Embiid. Now if he becomes KAT/Embiid, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
That is probably a fair comparison. But nobody is scared of LMA. You might game-plan around him a bit, but if he is the best player on the other team, you like you chances. I am hoping he comes in and proves me completely wrong. I want him to show he can change a game on both ends of the floor.
I sure wouldn’t take LMA over Luka.
Old take man, get with the times it is what it is! Don’t bust out a stale chip!
Yeah, that was gross. Still trying to get that aftertaste out of my mouth.
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:22 am
by Indy
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:57 am
specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:45 am
Cap wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:37 am
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:23 am
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:40 am
I’ve started looking at Ayton as a LaMarcus Aldridge type player. It’s easier to envision him having that type of career than turning into KAT/Embiid. Now if he becomes KAT/Embiid, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
That is probably a fair comparison. But nobody is scared of LMA. You might game-plan around him a bit, but if he is the best player on the other team, you like you chances. I am hoping he comes in and proves me completely wrong. I want him to show he can change a game on both ends of the floor.
I sure wouldn’t take LMA over Luka.
Old take man, get with the times it is what it is! Don’t bust out a stale chip!
Yeah, that was gross. Still trying to get that aftertaste out of my mouth.
This will go down as the new thing we talk about instead of Joe Johnson.
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:22 am
by Indy
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:56 am
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:35 am
Wally_West wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
I just think this Ayton criticism so overblown. He has only been in the league 1 year and preseason with a whole new cast of characters, where he played limited minutes with key players missing every game. I get wanting Ayton to be super aggressive but that just may never be him. Is that really the end of the world though? He probably would have average 20pts last year if that team was just mediocre at passing. The dude is so gifted offensively already, if his defense can just be mediocre then the dude is gonna be a regular at the all-star game. If he getting 20-25pts consistently then does it really matter if it’s by mid-range shots and lay-ups instead of monstrous dunks? As long as he is efficient and effective, I don’t care what he says before or after games.
Well TJ Warren was averaging 20 points per game for us before and it didn't impact the game at all. That is what I am worried about with Ayton. Getting 20 and 12 but having no impact would not be a good outcome. I hope that changes and see ways it certainly can, but not without him being aggressive. You see it in his FTA numbers, too. He only shot 2.7 free throws per game last year, even though he took over 12 shots a game. Other bigs on our team last year were much higher per FGA and per minute. On a per-minute basis, he shot 11th most FTA per game, while he was third highest in minutes and 2nd highest in FGAs.
He shot 0 FTs this preseason. That's mind boggling.
Agreed. It is just really scary.
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:45 pm
by Split T
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:56 am
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:35 am
Wally_West wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
I just think this Ayton criticism so overblown. He has only been in the league 1 year and preseason with a whole new cast of characters, where he played limited minutes with key players missing every game. I get wanting Ayton to be super aggressive but that just may never be him. Is that really the end of the world though? He probably would have average 20pts last year if that team was just mediocre at passing. The dude is so gifted offensively already, if his defense can just be mediocre then the dude is gonna be a regular at the all-star game. If he getting 20-25pts consistently then does it really matter if it’s by mid-range shots and lay-ups instead of monstrous dunks? As long as he is efficient and effective, I don’t care what he says before or after games.
Well TJ Warren was averaging 20 points per game for us before and it didn't impact the game at all. That is what I am worried about with Ayton. Getting 20 and 12 but having no impact would not be a good outcome. I hope that changes and see ways it certainly can, but not without him being aggressive. You see it in his FTA numbers, too. He only shot 2.7 free throws per game last year, even though he took over 12 shots a game. Other bigs on our team last year were much higher per FGA and per minute. On a per-minute basis, he shot 11th most FTA per game, while he was third highest in minutes and 2nd highest in FGAs.
He shot 0 FTs this preseason. That's mind boggling.
Not really. It’s obviously not ideal, but he played 3 games and only played half the games. If he’s going multiple games in the regular season, then I’ll consider it a problem.
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:29 pm
by Superbone
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:45 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:56 am
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:35 am
Wally_West wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
I just think this Ayton criticism so overblown. He has only been in the league 1 year and preseason with a whole new cast of characters, where he played limited minutes with key players missing every game. I get wanting Ayton to be super aggressive but that just may never be him. Is that really the end of the world though? He probably would have average 20pts last year if that team was just mediocre at passing. The dude is so gifted offensively already, if his defense can just be mediocre then the dude is gonna be a regular at the all-star game. If he getting 20-25pts consistently then does it really matter if it’s by mid-range shots and lay-ups instead of monstrous dunks? As long as he is efficient and effective, I don’t care what he says before or after games.
Well TJ Warren was averaging 20 points per game for us before and it didn't impact the game at all. That is what I am worried about with Ayton. Getting 20 and 12 but having no impact would not be a good outcome. I hope that changes and see ways it certainly can, but not without him being aggressive. You see it in his FTA numbers, too. He only shot 2.7 free throws per game last year, even though he took over 12 shots a game. Other bigs on our team last year were much higher per FGA and per minute. On a per-minute basis, he shot 11th most FTA per game, while he was third highest in minutes and 2nd highest in FGAs.
He shot 0 FTs this preseason. That's mind boggling.
Not really. It’s obviously not ideal, but he played 3 games and only played half the games. If he’s going multiple games in the regular season, then I’ll consider it a problem.
So, why shouldn't he have had half the FTs?
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:26 pm
by Mori Chu
I am not going to read into preseason numbers like that. Maybe Ayton didn't want to bang around and risk his body during the meaningless preseason. What's the point of that?
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:49 pm
by Split T
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:29 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:45 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:56 am
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:35 am
Wally_West wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:40 pm
I just think this Ayton criticism so overblown. He has only been in the league 1 year and preseason with a whole new cast of characters, where he played limited minutes with key players missing every game. I get wanting Ayton to be super aggressive but that just may never be him. Is that really the end of the world though? He probably would have average 20pts last year if that team was just mediocre at passing. The dude is so gifted offensively already, if his defense can just be mediocre then the dude is gonna be a regular at the all-star game. If he getting 20-25pts consistently then does it really matter if it’s by mid-range shots and lay-ups instead of monstrous dunks? As long as he is efficient and effective, I don’t care what he says before or after games.
Well TJ Warren was averaging 20 points per game for us before and it didn't impact the game at all. That is what I am worried about with Ayton. Getting 20 and 12 but having no impact would not be a good outcome. I hope that changes and see ways it certainly can, but not without him being aggressive. You see it in his FTA numbers, too. He only shot 2.7 free throws per game last year, even though he took over 12 shots a game. Other bigs on our team last year were much higher per FGA and per minute. On a per-minute basis, he shot 11th most FTA per game, while he was third highest in minutes and 2nd highest in FGAs.
He shot 0 FTs this preseason. That's mind boggling.
Not really. It’s obviously not ideal, but he played 3 games and only played half the games. If he’s going multiple games in the regular season, then I’ll consider it a problem.
So, why shouldn't he have had half the FTs?
He took 2.7 FTA per game last year. So 1.3 would be half. Over 3 games that would be 4 free throws. It’s mind boggling to you that he took 4 less free throws than expected?
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:13 pm
by Cap
Young rookie centers, ranked by free throw rate:
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Rk Player Season Age Tm Lg MP FTA G GS FG FGA 2P 2PA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% FT% TS%
1 Shaquille ONeal 1992-93 20 ORL NBA 3071 11.7 81 81 733 1304 733 1302 0 2 427 721 342 780 1122 152 60 286 307 321 1893 .562 .563 .000 .562 .592 .584
2 Steven Hunter 2001-02 20 ORL NBA 516 9.4 53 21 67 147 67 147 0 0 55 94 40 57 97 5 5 43 16 81 189 .456 .456 .456 .585 .502
3 Tyson Chandler 2001-02 19 CHI NBA 1389 8.5 71 31 151 304 151 304 0 0 134 222 114 229 343 54 28 93 99 179 436 .497 .497 .497 .604 .543
4 Dwight Howard 2004-05 19 ORL NBA 2670 7.8 82 82 352 677 352 675 0 2 277 413 287 536 823 75 77 136 165 232 981 .520 .521 .000 .520 .671 .571
5 Eddy Curry 2001-02 19 CHI NBA 1150 7.4 72 31 189 377 189 377 0 0 105 160 111 161 272 25 16 53 69 173 483 .501 .501 .501 .656 .540
6 DeAndre Jordan 2008-09 20 LAC NBA 771 7.4 53 13 93 147 93 147 0 0 42 109 72 165 237 11 11 59 41 96 228 .633 .633 .633 .385 .585
7 Zaza Pachulia 2003-04 19 ORL NBA 664 7.2 59 2 68 175 68 175 0 0 58 90 69 105 174 13 21 12 34 87 194 .389 .389 .389 .644 .452
8 Andre Drummond 2012-13 19 DET NBA 1243 6.8 60 10 208 342 207 340 1 2 59 159 169 288 457 30 59 95 57 144 476 .608 .609 .500 .610 .371 .578
9 Jonas Valaninas 2012-13 20 TOR NBA 1482 6.6 62 57 204 366 204 366 0 0 146 185 121 251 372 45 17 78 94 188 554 .557 .557 .557 .789 .619
10 Enes Kanter 2011-12 19 UTA NBA 874 6.3 66 0 117 236 117 235 0 1 70 105 107 171 278 8 18 23 54 87 304 .496 .498 .000 .496 .667 .539
11 Jusuf Nurki 2014-15 20 DEN NBA 1103 6.0 62 27 171 383 171 381 0 2 84 132 125 257 382 50 52 68 86 207 426 .446 .449 .000 .446 .636 .483
12 Dalibor Bagari 2000-01 20 CHI NBA 259 5.8 35 0 17 65 17 64 0 1 13 28 22 34 56 10 9 16 21 44 47 .262 .266 .000 .262 .464 .304
13 Steven Adams 2013-14 20 OKC NBA 1197 5.7 81 20 93 185 93 185 0 0 79 136 142 190 332 43 40 57 71 203 265 .503 .503 .503 .581 .541
14 Robin Lopez 2008-09 20 PHO NBA 614 5.5 60 7 71 137 71 136 0 1 47 68 52 66 118 8 11 41 28 97 189 .518 .522 .000 .518 .691 .566
15 Andris Biedri 2004-05 18 GSW NBA 384 5.4 30 1 45 78 45 77 0 1 19 40 47 71 118 12 12 24 12 87 109 .577 .584 .000 .577 .475 .570
16 Wendell Carter 2018-19 19 CHI NBA 1110 4.9 44 44 180 371 174 339 6 32 89 112 87 220 307 78 26 58 65 152 455 .485 .513 .188 .493 .795 .541
17 Mitchell Robinson 2018-19 20 NYK NBA 1360 4.8 66 19 202 291 202 291 0 0 81 135 177 246 423 37 52 161 35 217 485 .694 .694 .694 .600 .692
18 Jeremy Tyler 2011-12 20 GSW NBA 568 4.8 42 23 88 209 88 208 0 1 29 52 54 86 140 16 16 20 36 84 205 .421 .423 .000 .421 .558 .442
19 Kosta Koufos 2008-09 19 UTA NBA 565 4.7 48 7 94 185 94 185 0 0 36 51 50 88 138 20 12 31 26 70 224 .508 .508 .508 .706 .540
20 Brook Lopez 2008-09 20 NJN NBA 2501 4.6 82 75 448 844 448 842 0 2 172 217 225 440 665 86 44 151 147 257 1068 .531 .532 .000 .531 .793 .568
21 Alex Len 2013-14 20 PHO NBA 362 4.3 42 3 33 78 33 78 0 0 20 31 39 60 99 4 4 18 26 68 86 .423 .423 .423 .645 .469
22 Andrew Bynum 2005-06 18 LAL NBA 338 4.2 46 0 33 82 33 82 0 0 8 27 34 46 80 9 4 22 17 56 74 .402 .402 .402 .296 .394
23 Deandre Ayton 2018-19 20 PHO NBA 2183 4.1 71 70 509 870 509 866 0 4 141 189 223 506 729 125 61 67 126 209 1159 .585 .588 .000 .585 .746 .608
24 Mohamed Bamba 2018-19 20 ORL NBA 766 4.0 47 1 117 243 96 173 21 70 37 63 64 169 233 39 13 64 43 102 292 .481 .555 .300 .525 .587 .539
25 Ivica Zubac 2016-17 19 LAL NBA 609 3.9 38 11 126 238 126 235 0 3 32 49 41 118 159 30 14 33 30 66 284 .529 .536 .000 .529 .653 .547
26 Johan Petro 2005-06 20 SEA NBA 1282 3.1 68 41 153 300 153 300 0 0 47 75 109 187 296 15 25 51 60 213 353 .510 .510 .510 .627 .530
27 Maciej Lampe 2003-04 18 PHO NBA 224 3.0 21 0 43 88 43 84 0 4 10 13 9 35 44 9 3 3 15 28 96 .489 .512 .000 .489 .769 .512
28 Olumide Oyedeji 2000-01 19 SEA NBA 221 2.8 30 1 18 37 18 37 0 0 9 12 24 43 67 2 7 10 11 40 45 .486 .486 .486 .750 .532
29 Georgios Papagiannis 2016-17 19 SAC NBA 355 2.0 22 0 56 102 56 100 0 2 12 14 24 62 86 20 3 17 24 44 124 .549 .560 .000 .549 .857 .573
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Pretty pathetic.
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:36 pm
by JeremyG
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:22 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:57 am
specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:45 am
Cap wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:37 am
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:23 am
That is probably a fair comparison. But nobody is scared of LMA. You might game-plan around him a bit, but if he is the best player on the other team, you like you chances. I am hoping he comes in and proves me completely wrong. I want him to show he can change a game on both ends of the floor.
I sure wouldn’t take LMA over Luka.
Old take man, get with the times it is what it is! Don’t bust out a stale chip!
Yeah, that was gross. Still trying to get that aftertaste out of my mouth.
This will go down as the new thing we talk about instead of Joe Johnson.
I refuse to stop talking about Joe Johnson until we win a championship.
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:43 pm
by Superbone
Cap wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:13 pm
Young rookie centers, ranked by free throw rate:
Code: Select all
Crit Tota Shoo
Rk Player Season Age Tm Lg MP FTA G GS FG FGA 2P 2PA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% FT% TS%
1 Shaquille ONeal 1992-93 20 ORL NBA 3071 11.7 81 81 733 1304 733 1302 0 2 427 721 342 780 1122 152 60 286 307 321 1893 .562 .563 .000 .562 .592 .584
2 Steven Hunter 2001-02 20 ORL NBA 516 9.4 53 21 67 147 67 147 0 0 55 94 40 57 97 5 5 43 16 81 189 .456 .456 .456 .585 .502
3 Tyson Chandler 2001-02 19 CHI NBA 1389 8.5 71 31 151 304 151 304 0 0 134 222 114 229 343 54 28 93 99 179 436 .497 .497 .497 .604 .543
4 Dwight Howard 2004-05 19 ORL NBA 2670 7.8 82 82 352 677 352 675 0 2 277 413 287 536 823 75 77 136 165 232 981 .520 .521 .000 .520 .671 .571
5 Eddy Curry 2001-02 19 CHI NBA 1150 7.4 72 31 189 377 189 377 0 0 105 160 111 161 272 25 16 53 69 173 483 .501 .501 .501 .656 .540
6 DeAndre Jordan 2008-09 20 LAC NBA 771 7.4 53 13 93 147 93 147 0 0 42 109 72 165 237 11 11 59 41 96 228 .633 .633 .633 .385 .585
7 Zaza Pachulia 2003-04 19 ORL NBA 664 7.2 59 2 68 175 68 175 0 0 58 90 69 105 174 13 21 12 34 87 194 .389 .389 .389 .644 .452
8 Andre Drummond 2012-13 19 DET NBA 1243 6.8 60 10 208 342 207 340 1 2 59 159 169 288 457 30 59 95 57 144 476 .608 .609 .500 .610 .371 .578
9 Jonas Valaninas 2012-13 20 TOR NBA 1482 6.6 62 57 204 366 204 366 0 0 146 185 121 251 372 45 17 78 94 188 554 .557 .557 .557 .789 .619
10 Enes Kanter 2011-12 19 UTA NBA 874 6.3 66 0 117 236 117 235 0 1 70 105 107 171 278 8 18 23 54 87 304 .496 .498 .000 .496 .667 .539
11 Jusuf Nurki 2014-15 20 DEN NBA 1103 6.0 62 27 171 383 171 381 0 2 84 132 125 257 382 50 52 68 86 207 426 .446 .449 .000 .446 .636 .483
12 Dalibor Bagari 2000-01 20 CHI NBA 259 5.8 35 0 17 65 17 64 0 1 13 28 22 34 56 10 9 16 21 44 47 .262 .266 .000 .262 .464 .304
13 Steven Adams 2013-14 20 OKC NBA 1197 5.7 81 20 93 185 93 185 0 0 79 136 142 190 332 43 40 57 71 203 265 .503 .503 .503 .581 .541
14 Robin Lopez 2008-09 20 PHO NBA 614 5.5 60 7 71 137 71 136 0 1 47 68 52 66 118 8 11 41 28 97 189 .518 .522 .000 .518 .691 .566
15 Andris Biedri 2004-05 18 GSW NBA 384 5.4 30 1 45 78 45 77 0 1 19 40 47 71 118 12 12 24 12 87 109 .577 .584 .000 .577 .475 .570
16 Wendell Carter 2018-19 19 CHI NBA 1110 4.9 44 44 180 371 174 339 6 32 89 112 87 220 307 78 26 58 65 152 455 .485 .513 .188 .493 .795 .541
17 Mitchell Robinson 2018-19 20 NYK NBA 1360 4.8 66 19 202 291 202 291 0 0 81 135 177 246 423 37 52 161 35 217 485 .694 .694 .694 .600 .692
18 Jeremy Tyler 2011-12 20 GSW NBA 568 4.8 42 23 88 209 88 208 0 1 29 52 54 86 140 16 16 20 36 84 205 .421 .423 .000 .421 .558 .442
19 Kosta Koufos 2008-09 19 UTA NBA 565 4.7 48 7 94 185 94 185 0 0 36 51 50 88 138 20 12 31 26 70 224 .508 .508 .508 .706 .540
20 Brook Lopez 2008-09 20 NJN NBA 2501 4.6 82 75 448 844 448 842 0 2 172 217 225 440 665 86 44 151 147 257 1068 .531 .532 .000 .531 .793 .568
21 Alex Len 2013-14 20 PHO NBA 362 4.3 42 3 33 78 33 78 0 0 20 31 39 60 99 4 4 18 26 68 86 .423 .423 .423 .645 .469
22 Andrew Bynum 2005-06 18 LAL NBA 338 4.2 46 0 33 82 33 82 0 0 8 27 34 46 80 9 4 22 17 56 74 .402 .402 .402 .296 .394
23 Deandre Ayton 2018-19 20 PHO NBA 2183 4.1 71 70 509 870 509 866 0 4 141 189 223 506 729 125 61 67 126 209 1159 .585 .588 .000 .585 .746 .608
24 Mohamed Bamba 2018-19 20 ORL NBA 766 4.0 47 1 117 243 96 173 21 70 37 63 64 169 233 39 13 64 43 102 292 .481 .555 .300 .525 .587 .539
25 Ivica Zubac 2016-17 19 LAL NBA 609 3.9 38 11 126 238 126 235 0 3 32 49 41 118 159 30 14 33 30 66 284 .529 .536 .000 .529 .653 .547
26 Johan Petro 2005-06 20 SEA NBA 1282 3.1 68 41 153 300 153 300 0 0 47 75 109 187 296 15 25 51 60 213 353 .510 .510 .510 .627 .530
27 Maciej Lampe 2003-04 18 PHO NBA 224 3.0 21 0 43 88 43 84 0 4 10 13 9 35 44 9 3 3 15 28 96 .489 .512 .000 .489 .769 .512
28 Olumide Oyedeji 2000-01 19 SEA NBA 221 2.8 30 1 18 37 18 37 0 0 9 12 24 43 67 2 7 10 11 40 45 .486 .486 .486 .750 .532
29 Georgios Papagiannis 2016-17 19 SAC NBA 355 2.0 22 0 56 102 56 100 0 2 12 14 24 62 86 20 3 17 24 44 124 .549 .560 .000 .549 .857 .573
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Pretty pathetic.
Yeah, I'd say that's mind boggling for a guy of his size and strength.
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:46 pm
by Superbone
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:49 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:29 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:45 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:56 am
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:35 am
Well TJ Warren was averaging 20 points per game for us before and it didn't impact the game at all. That is what I am worried about with Ayton. Getting 20 and 12 but having no impact would not be a good outcome. I hope that changes and see ways it certainly can, but not without him being aggressive. You see it in his FTA numbers, too. He only shot 2.7 free throws per game last year, even though he took over 12 shots a game. Other bigs on our team last year were much higher per FGA and per minute. On a per-minute basis, he shot 11th most FTA per game, while he was third highest in minutes and 2nd highest in FGAs.
He shot 0 FTs this preseason. That's mind boggling.
Not really. It’s obviously not ideal, but he played 3 games and only played half the games. If he’s going multiple games in the regular season, then I’ll consider it a problem.
So, why shouldn't he have had half the FTs?
He took 2.7 FTA per game last year. So 1.3 would be half. Over 3 games that would be 4 free throws. It’s mind boggling to you that he took 4 less free throws than expected?
Yeah, that's
exactly what I said. Besides, you can't take less if you didn't take any.
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:06 pm
by specialsauce
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:36 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:22 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:57 am
specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:45 am
Cap wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:37 am
I sure wouldn’t take LMA over Luka.
Old take man, get with the times it is what it is! Don’t bust out a stale chip!
Yeah, that was gross. Still trying to get that aftertaste out of my mouth.
This will go down as the new thing we talk about instead of Joe Johnson.
I refuse to stop talking about Joe Johnson until we win a championship.
Lol
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:21 pm
by bajanguy008
https://twitter.com/DuaneRankin/status/1185676696227237888
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:34 pm
by Superbone
Wow, that was quite the line! Thought it would never end.
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:46 pm
by Aztec Sunsfan
Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:34 pm
Wow, that was quite the line! Thought it would never end.
And I read you before watching it and tought you were making fun of it...
Re: Oubre or Mikal Bridges as starting small forward?
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:00 pm
by Superbone
Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:46 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:34 pm
Wow, that was quite the line! Thought it would never end.
And I read you before watching it and tought you were making fun of it...
Nope, dead serious. Glad to see so many hard core fans taking to it.