Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:42 am
Shut Booker down.
Start Bridges at the 2.
Start Bridges at the 2.
If he's not right, I agree. I might start Cam there though.
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Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:28 am
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:25 pm
Was thinking about this too if Book needs to miss any time. I might start Tyler Johnson in the backcourt with Rubio. He'd give us a secondary ballhandler, a shooter and someone who could penetrate and challenge the defense. Bridges and Cam can't provide all of those things just yet. Starting Tyler Johnson would also let us keep the bench in tact without messing up roles. You can still bring Jerome, Bridges, and Cam in same as always. Even if Tyler gets pulled quickly, Monty might like him with the starters just to help set a tone.
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:59 pm
TJ ain't playing until after the 15th.
Put mikal at the 2 and start diallo over tank. Oubre can be the secondary ballhandler.
Put mikal at the 2 and start diallo over tank. Oubre can be the secondary ballhandler.
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:02 pm
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:07 pm
I just want to say that it felt like Brooks got a free pass last night to do whatever he wanted. I saw a lot of "stuff" he got away with throughout the game, not just with 28 secs left.
Imo, I thought the refs got both of the reviews wrong too. The Cam 3 should have counted as it happened as the foul was happening, and Dario did exactly what he's supposed to do, he challenged the shot, but stopped short of the 3 pt line, where the shooter(Crowder?) shot it from. Crowder does his damnedest to get calls on his 3 pt shot, yelling like he got hit everytime someone is close, whether they touch him or not. I just thought the refs were particularly poor last night. They had as bad of a night as the Suns did.
Imo, I thought the refs got both of the reviews wrong too. The Cam 3 should have counted as it happened as the foul was happening, and Dario did exactly what he's supposed to do, he challenged the shot, but stopped short of the 3 pt line, where the shooter(Crowder?) shot it from. Crowder does his damnedest to get calls on his 3 pt shot, yelling like he got hit everytime someone is close, whether they touch him or not. I just thought the refs were particularly poor last night. They had as bad of a night as the Suns did.
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:11 pm
specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:19 am
Indy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:00 amNo. didn't you read saucey? He was worthless last night and didn't come to play.Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:51 amIn the end it was our rebounding...55 rebounds to 44. That more than accounts for the 7 point differential. We only got 18 minutes out of Baynes...this is a case where if we had Ayton, despite the low FG%, odds are we would have won.
Also...our offense will improve from his presence, as he will draw more attention than just the PF lineup. Oubre, props...14 brds last night...
And this seems crazy to say, but Booker, even with his 15/10 night, cost us the game. He was a minus 23, and just couldn't keep up. He was clearly in pain and playing through it, but we might have been better off sitting him last night.Oubre loves his stats. Just watch next game every time his man touches the ball how easily he blows by him. He likes stats, not defense
You were riding him really hard last night. He had some big rebounds for us last night. He was battling for them. I agree he is not a good overall defender, just like Book, or Frank, or Dario. Hell, 4/5 of our starting lineup lately isn't good at defense.
But Oubre wasn't the problem last night. When your starting SF goes 5-13, and he has two other starters shooting worse than him for the game, had 30% of your team's total rebounds, and 100% of your blocks (4!), he isn't the problem. Plenty of nights he is, but not last night.
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:43 pm
26% from 3’s.
39%. Shooting overall.
39%. Shooting overall.
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:09 pm
He’s certainly not the solution either. He’s being paid a pretty penny and with that come expectations. He was billed last year as all defense and energy.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:11 pmspecialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:19 amIndy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:00 amNo. didn't you read saucey? He was worthless last night and didn't come to play.Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:51 amIn the end it was our rebounding...55 rebounds to 44. That more than accounts for the 7 point differential. We only got 18 minutes out of Baynes...this is a case where if we had Ayton, despite the low FG%, odds are we would have won.
Also...our offense will improve from his presence, as he will draw more attention than just the PF lineup. Oubre, props...14 brds last night...
And this seems crazy to say, but Booker, even with his 15/10 night, cost us the game. He was a minus 23, and just couldn't keep up. He was clearly in pain and playing through it, but we might have been better off sitting him last night.
He had some big rebounds for us last night. He was battling for them. I agree he is not a good overall defender, just like Book, or Frank, or Dario. Hell, 4/5 of our starting lineup lately isn't good at defense.
But Oubre wasn't the problem last night. When your starting SF goes 5-13, and he has two other starters shooting worse than him for the game, had 30% of your team's total rebounds, and 100% of your blocks (4!), he isn't the problem. Plenty of nights he is, but not last night.
Bookers effort on the defensive end has been much better this year. Darios shortcomings are not effort related. Kelly goes off into space mentally on the defensive end and then tries to make up for it by cheating for a steal or catching up for a block, but frequently he just flat out gets beat.
If you’re going to be the “energy” role player, then be good at that, at least.
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:13 pm
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:09 pm
That flagrant was bullshit. I agree with protecting a shooter’s landing, but on the condition he jumps straight up and down. If a shooter shoots from outside the 3 point line and lands inside of it how can a defender reasonably expect to cover that shot?In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:07 pmI just want to say that it felt like Brooks got a free pass last night to do whatever he wanted. I saw a lot of "stuff" he got away with throughout the game, not just with 28 secs left.
Imo, I thought the refs got both of the reviews wrong too. The Cam 3 should have counted as it happened as the foul was happening, and Dario did exactly what he's supposed to do, he challenged the shot, but stopped short of the 3 pt line, where the shooter(Crowder?) shot it from. Crowder does his damnedest to get calls on his 3 pt shot, yelling like he got hit everytime someone is close, whether they touch him or not. I just thought the refs were particularly poor last night. They had as bad of a night as the Suns did.
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:58 am
thisShabazz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:09 pmThat flagrant was bullshit. I agree with protecting a shooter’s landing, but on the condition he jumps straight up and down. If a shooter shoots from outside the 3 point line and lands inside of it how can a defender reasonably expect to cover that shot?In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:07 pmI just want to say that it felt like Brooks got a free pass last night to do whatever he wanted. I saw a lot of "stuff" he got away with throughout the game, not just with 28 secs left.
Imo, I thought the refs got both of the reviews wrong too. The Cam 3 should have counted as it happened as the foul was happening, and Dario did exactly what he's supposed to do, he challenged the shot, but stopped short of the 3 pt line, where the shooter(Crowder?) shot it from. Crowder does his damnedest to get calls on his 3 pt shot, yelling like he got hit everytime someone is close, whether they touch him or not. I just thought the refs were particularly poor last night. They had as bad of a night as the Suns did.
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:59 am
I care more about result, not effort or how less bad it is this year. If you needed a stop 1 on 1, I would take Kelly over Book every time.specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:09 pmHe’s certainly not the solution either. He’s being paid a pretty penny and with that come expectations. He was billed last year as all defense and energy.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:11 pmspecialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:19 amIndy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:00 amNo. didn't you read saucey? He was worthless last night and didn't come to play.Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:51 amIn the end it was our rebounding...55 rebounds to 44. That more than accounts for the 7 point differential. We only got 18 minutes out of Baynes...this is a case where if we had Ayton, despite the low FG%, odds are we would have won.
Also...our offense will improve from his presence, as he will draw more attention than just the PF lineup. Oubre, props...14 brds last night...
And this seems crazy to say, but Booker, even with his 15/10 night, cost us the game. He was a minus 23, and just couldn't keep up. He was clearly in pain and playing through it, but we might have been better off sitting him last night.
He had some big rebounds for us last night. He was battling for them. I agree he is not a good overall defender, just like Book, or Frank, or Dario. Hell, 4/5 of our starting lineup lately isn't good at defense.
But Oubre wasn't the problem last night. When your starting SF goes 5-13, and he has two other starters shooting worse than him for the game, had 30% of your team's total rebounds, and 100% of your blocks (4!), he isn't the problem. Plenty of nights he is, but not last night.
Bookers effort on the defensive end has been much better this year. Darios shortcomings are not effort related. Kelly goes off into space mentally on the defensive end and then tries to make up for it by cheating for a steal or catching up for a block, but frequently he just flat out gets beat.
If you’re going to be the “energy” role player, then be good at that, at least.
But I agree that he is likely not a long-term solution for us at 3 if we don't have a good defensive 4.
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:32 pm
I don't think he was ever billed as "all defense." Zack Lowe even had an article pointing out how he can fall asleep on defense. But Oubre still is a defensive playmaker, meaning he can make significant plays on the defensive end that can help the team's defense. That doesn't mean he is a lockdown defender or even a great defender.specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:09 pmHe’s certainly not the solution either. He’s being paid a pretty penny and with that come expectations. He was billed last year as all defense and energy.
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:02 pm
He’s a lazy defender. Booker and Ayton need to be surrounded by D. Bridges is that. Oubre is a poor fit
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:59 am
I think that's uncharitable to him. He's not a consistently excellent defender, but he is above average and a net positive on D overall IMO.specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:02 pmHe’s a lazy defender. Booker and Ayton need to be surrounded by D. Bridges is that. Oubre is a poor fit
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:15 pm
Oubre may lack defensive fundamentals, but I don't think he's lazy.
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:16 pm
He’s far from lazy...he’s just a ball watcher and loses his man sometimes
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:57 pm
He’s lazy. He plays defense with his hands instead of his feet. That’s lazy
Re: Game Day: Grizzlies (7-16) @ Suns (11-12), Wed 12/11/19
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:55 am
I’m not sure what you’re seeing, but I’m not seeing the same thing.