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CP3 is too old to do what he did in 2021. If he was still younger, then sure you could make an argument to keep him, in pursuit of a championship.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:08 pmSuns make it to the 2021 Finals with Ayton, but also thanks to Monty and CP3, so, the latter 2 should also get a free pass from you as well, right Jeremy?
If you use your high salaries in trades before they expire (such as trading CP3 for Kyrie), you can keep building the team. The Warriors were even able to turn a free agent (KD) into DLo through a S&T and then trade DLo for Wiggins.TOO wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:39 pmOy, in a system without a salary cap, sure. But this isn't baseball. You can't just throw money at people to build a team.
On both sentences: "Then stop acting like paying a half effort role player a max deal is a good idea" and "Stop acting like we make the 2021 Finals without him." it's about judging present performance vs past achievements, throwing age just right now is highly convenient just to keep deflecting how mediocre Ayton has been... besides, 2021 it's just so far distant to keep milking it.JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:46 pmCP3 is too old to do what he did in 2021. If he was still younger, then sure you could make an argument to keep him, in pursuit of a championship.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:08 pmSuns make it to the 2021 Finals with Ayton, but also thanks to Monty and CP3, so, the latter 2 should also get a free pass from you as well, right Jeremy?
Meh, according to our in-house experts, he is most likely to be traded than Ayton!!!TOO wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:35 pmAlso Booker was pretty decent.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:08 pmSuns make it to the 2021 Finals with Ayton, but also thanks to Monty and CP3, so, the latter 2 should also get a free pass from you as well, right Jeremy?
He's no Ayton.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:16 pmMeh, according to our in-house experts, he is most likely to be traded than Ayton!!!TOO wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:35 pmAlso Booker was pretty decent.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:08 pmSuns make it to the 2021 Finals with Ayton, but also thanks to Monty and CP3, so, the latter 2 should also get a free pass from you as well, right Jeremy?
Never said that.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:16 pmMeh, according to our in-house experts, he is most likely to be traded than Ayton!!!TOO wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:35 pmAlso Booker was pretty decent.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:08 pmSuns make it to the 2021 Finals with Ayton, but also thanks to Monty and CP3, so, the latter 2 should also get a free pass from you as well, right Jeremy?
The context before where you started quoting was winning championships—thus why I mentioned the 2021 Finals. It had nothing to do with so-called “distant” past vs. present. Ayton has proven he is capable of helping a team reach the Finals, and has shown no reason presently to think he can’t do the same again (unlike Paul, who has declined due to age).Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:14 pmOn both sentences: "Then stop acting like paying a half effort role player a max deal is a good idea" and "Stop acting like we make the 2021 Finals without him." it's about judging present performance vs past achievements, throwing age just right now is highly convenient just to keep deflecting how mediocre Ayton has been... besides, 2021 it's just so far distant to keep milking it.JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:46 pmCP3 is too old to do what he did in 2021. If he was still younger, then sure you could make an argument to keep him, in pursuit of a championship.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:08 pmSuns make it to the 2021 Finals with Ayton, but also thanks to Monty and CP3, so, the latter 2 should also get a free pass from you as well, right Jeremy?
We're not talking about the series vs Dallas last year are we? Did they even have a dominant center that was shutting down Ayton or was it a case of him not rising up when he plays against smaller teams?JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:43 pmThe context before where you started quoting was winning championships—thus why I mentioned the 2021 Finals. It had nothing to do with so-called “distant” past vs. present. Ayton has proven he is capable of helping a team reach the Finals, and has shown no reason presently to think he can’t do the same again (unlike Paul, who has declined due to age).Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:14 pmOn both sentences: "Then stop acting like paying a half effort role player a max deal is a good idea" and "Stop acting like we make the 2021 Finals without him." it's about judging present performance vs past achievements, throwing age just right now is highly convenient just to keep deflecting how mediocre Ayton has been... besides, 2021 it's just so far distant to keep milking it.JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:46 pmCP3 is too old to do what he did in 2021. If he was still younger, then sure you could make an argument to keep him, in pursuit of a championship.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:08 pmSuns make it to the 2021 Finals with Ayton, but also thanks to Monty and CP3, so, the latter 2 should also get a free pass from you as well, right Jeremy?
I swear I’ve never seen a fanbase complain so much that a player steps up his game for the playoffs. You would think it would make people consider him to be more valuable, not less.
The horse was murdered, given CPR, brought back, murdered, given a heart transplant, murdered again. Just let the damn horse die y’all, never going to convince JG that DAs shits smell anything less than a million dollars and never going to convince every other suns fan that DA is worth his contract
You know the definition of insanity, right?
Not only the Dallas series is more recent, but we can as well return to that magic ‘21 run and still find out that we didn’t win it all, and a big part of it was that Ayton’s lunch was eaten by Giannis, and by the way Jeremy, you didn’t said “reaching” was the context, but “winning”, so, under that measure, both Paul and Ayton have nothing to show for it, except that Paul had walked that path more times, and before you pivot back to play the age card, or whatever picky argument that makes you feel better, lets leave it here, Ayton is great, you are right, the vast majority of the world is wrong.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:26 pmWe're not talking about the series vs Dallas last year are we? Did they even have a dominant center that was shutting down Ayton or was it a case of him not rising up when he plays against smaller teams?JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:43 pmThe context before where you started quoting was winning championships—thus why I mentioned the 2021 Finals. It had nothing to do with so-called “distant” past vs. present. Ayton has proven he is capable of helping a team reach the Finals, and has shown no reason presently to think he can’t do the same again (unlike Paul, who has declined due to age).Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:14 pmOn both sentences: "Then stop acting like paying a half effort role player a max deal is a good idea" and "Stop acting like we make the 2021 Finals without him." it's about judging present performance vs past achievements, throwing age just right now is highly convenient just to keep deflecting how mediocre Ayton has been... besides, 2021 it's just so far distant to keep milking it.JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:46 pmCP3 is too old to do what he did in 2021. If he was still younger, then sure you could make an argument to keep him, in pursuit of a championship.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:08 pm
Suns make it to the 2021 Finals with Ayton, but also thanks to Monty and CP3, so, the latter 2 should also get a free pass from you as well, right Jeremy?
I swear I’ve never seen a fanbase complain so much that a player steps up his game for the playoffs. You would think it would make people consider him to be more valuable, not less.
Of course you didn’t, I was joking, as anyone could tell the moment I wrote “in-house-experts”… again it just some ribbing, great to see around here again, even if we rarely agree on Ayton’s.JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:34 pmNever said that.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:16 pmMeh, according to our in-house experts, he is most likely to be traded than Ayton!!!TOO wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:35 pmAlso Booker was pretty decent.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:08 pmSuns make it to the 2021 Finals with Ayton, but also thanks to Monty and CP3, so, the latter 2 should also get a free pass from you as well, right Jeremy?
Yeah, admittedly I did bring DA into another discussion recently.specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:33 pmYou don’t do yourself any favors either, but you’re right on this thread
Or maybe he just isn't going to bend to the will of his players that have no leverage.