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Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 11:33 am
by Superbone
Cap wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 5:13 am
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 7:54 pm
5 years? Good. Players need to go next if we have another embarrassing season. I hope he’s ready for a rebuild.
A rebuild when we’re way the F over the cap and control none of our own picks for seven years? Sure thing. We’ll do it just like… uh… somebody must have done it before, right?
There's a first time for everything, Cap.
Ishbia is NOT a rebuilding kind of guy. The sooner everybody here realizes that the better.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 11:34 am
by Superbone
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 7:30 am
I think the roster is the biggest issue, but Budenholzer is a better fit with the personnel that the Suns have. I think he can get a better offensive product out of this group, but I'm not sure that elevates enough to have a different out in the postseason. Maybe it upgrades them to being able to win a playoff series.
Agreed on the offense. We're going to need a personnel upgrade defensively. How and if that can be accomplished is another story.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 11:35 am
by Superbone
TOO wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 9:49 am
When's the presser?
Exactly what I was just wondering after seeing the Welcome to the Valley tweet.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 11:36 am
by The Bobster
Superbone wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 11:34 am
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 7:30 am
I think the roster is the biggest issue, but Budenholzer is a better fit with the personnel that the Suns have. I think he can get a better offensive product out of this group, but I'm not sure that elevates enough to have a different out in the postseason. Maybe it upgrades them to being able to win a playoff series.
Agreed on the offense. We're going to need a personnel upgrade defensively. How and if that can be accomplished is another story.
Obviously Torrey Craig is the answer.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 11:43 am
by Superbone
The Bobster wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 11:36 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 11:34 am
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 7:30 am
I think the roster is the biggest issue, but Budenholzer is a better fit with the personnel that the Suns have. I think he can get a better offensive product out of this group, but I'm not sure that elevates enough to have a different out in the postseason. Maybe it upgrades them to being able to win a playoff series.
Agreed on the offense. We're going to need a personnel upgrade defensively. How and if that can be accomplished is another story.
Obviously Torrey Craig is the answer.
I just wish Okogie could shoot the damn ball at a decent clip. I'm sure he puts in the work but not everybody has the talent offensively obviously. Defensively, he's a monster.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 11:51 am
by Split T
The only way to tear it down and rebuild would be to trade Booker to Brooklyn for our picks back…of course you’d also still have pick swaps coming up. I think there is a way to try and quick tank, but it involves getting your 2025 pick back from Brooklyn and keeping Book. Trade KD and Beal for youth/picks/expirings…be bad for 2 years(can be good in 2025-26 since there’s a pick swap that year) and strike big in 2026 free agency.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 12:01 pm
by iLLmatic
Cap wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 11:31 am
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 10:55 am
Cap wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 5:13 am
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 7:54 pm
5 years? Good. Players need to go next if we have another embarrassing season. I hope he’s ready for a rebuild.
A rebuild when we’re way the F over the cap and control none of our own picks for seven years? Sure thing. We’ll do it just like… uh… somebody must have done it before, right?
Obviously that includes trading Booker away to facilitate that.
Take a look at the Booker trades proposed by fans/media of other teams, and tell me which you think could be the foundation for a rebuild.
Why would I or the front office care what fans/media of other teams propose for trades?
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 12:04 pm
by Cap
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 12:01 pm
Cap wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 11:31 am
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 10:55 am
Cap wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 5:13 am
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 7:54 pm
5 years? Good. Players need to go next if we have another embarrassing season. I hope he’s ready for a rebuild.
A rebuild when we’re way the F over the cap and control none of our own picks for seven years? Sure thing. We’ll do it just like… uh… somebody must have done it before, right?
Obviously that includes trading Booker away to facilitate that.
Take a look at the Booker trades proposed by fans/media of other teams, and tell me which you think could be the foundation for a rebuild.
Why would I or the front office care what fans/media of other teams propose for trades?
As a measure of what he can fetch, it’s more objective than proposals of Suns fans.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 12:06 pm
by Superbone
Split T wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 11:51 am
The only way to tear it down and rebuild would be to trade Booker to Brooklyn for our picks back…of course you’d also still have pick swaps coming up. I think there is a way to try and quick tank, but it involves getting your 2025 pick back from Brooklyn and keeping Book. Trade KD and Beal for youth/picks/expirings…be bad for 2 years(can be good in 2025-26 since there’s a pick swap that year) and strike big in 2026 free agency.
It ain't happening, dude! Stop it.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 1:17 pm
by The Bobster
With all the pick swaps in the future they may have to go the Larry Nance route where they trade a star for multiple rotation players.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 1:46 pm
by Kryptonic
The Bobster wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 1:17 pm
With all the pick swaps in the future they may have to go the Larry Nance route where they trade a star for multiple rotation players.
Kind of how I feel about the situation and the way to salvage it. Book would be Nance in this situation and could potentially bring back a decent clip that could give us a lot more depth. Just blows because he’s the guy who deserves it more than anyone on the team and suffered the most to get to this point and you’re still putting a lot of stock into 2 aging stars to stay healthy.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 2:00 pm
by specialsauce
Cap wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 12:04 pm
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 12:01 pm
Cap wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 11:31 am
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 10:55 am
Cap wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 5:13 am
A rebuild when we’re way the F over the cap and control none of our own picks for seven years? Sure thing. We’ll do it just like… uh… somebody must have done it before, right?
Obviously that includes trading Booker away to facilitate that.
Take a look at the Booker trades proposed by fans/media of other teams, and tell me which you think could be the foundation for a rebuild.
Why would I or the front office care what fans/media of other teams propose for trades?
As a measure of what he can fetch, it’s more objective than proposals of Suns fans.
Wrong.
At one point there were calls of Lakers trading Kuz for Book. Come on.
Booker would easily command a young rising player and a couple first rounders.
No chance Thunder say no to Book for Jalen Williams or Chet.
Miami would give us Adebayo and picks for Book I bet.
Portland would give us DOMINAYTON for book.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 3:12 pm
by Superbone
specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 2:00 pm
Portland would give us DOMINAYTON for book.
No way! That's their guy! I wish.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 7:14 pm
by INFORMER
specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 2:00 pm
No chance Thunder say no to Book for Jalen Williams or Chet.
The Thunder aren't trading Chet for Booker.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 7:24 pm
by virtual9mm
This is silly. Trade Durant for whatever you can get.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 7:28 pm
by TOO
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 7:14 pm
specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 2:00 pm
No chance Thunder say no to Book for Jalen Williams or Chet.
The Thunder aren't trading Chet for Booker.
This. They'd then have the same redundancy problem the Suns do.
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 7:48 pm
by Superbone
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 8:47 pm
by Superbone
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 9:14 pm
by TOO
Re: Suns hire Mike Budenholzer as head coach
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 11:06 pm
by Superbone
Do ya?