Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:54 am
by ShelC
Stick a fork in this team, it's cooked. Get what you can for KD. Take pennies on the dollar to move off of Beal and Nurk.
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 8:56 am
by Split T
I love Royce and Tyus, but I also wonder what a contender would give up for them. Can Houston get enough salary to trade for Booker and KD? Separate trades of course…but give me back all our picks plus Thompson, Jabari or Whitmore, and Reed Sheppard.
Sheppard/Thompson/Dunn/Smith/Oso…run that lineup the rest of the year.
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 9:00 am
by Mori Chu
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
I love Royce and Tyus, but I also wonder what a contender would give up for them. Can Houston get enough salary to trade for Booker and KD? Separate trades of course…but give me back all our picks plus Thompson, Jabari or Whitmore, and Reed Sheppard.
Sheppard/Thompson/Dunn/Smith/Oso…run that lineup the rest of the year.
I'd take a wet fart in return if it's covered in draft picks and clears the books.
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
I might watch Christmas Day if we have Booker back…but otherwise I’m out for a bit until we make some changes to the roster.
Same. This group of players the last two years has taken away the joy of watching suns basketball. First time in my life
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:00 am
by specialsauce
I'm not for trading all 3 max guys. I'd rather retool by trading one of them for some better role players that increase our intensity on the court. Preferably Beal, but if you can't then KD.
If you can't get Butler for Beal maybe Miami would entertain KD for Bam, Jaime and a first?
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:10 am
by ShelC
I was looking at Heat trades with KD this morning. I didn't try anything with Bam because I think Adebayo is a lifer there. I was looking at something like KD for Butler, Ware and picks but can't do anything around KD and Butler because of the cap.
I'm still not open to trading Book. Reload around him.
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:31 am
by Superbone
This team couldn't even make any headway against the Nuggets bench. Sad.
I'm with Saucy and Shel, rebuild around Booker. KD, Beal, Nurkic can all go. Unfortunately, we can't get half as much back for KD now as we gave away for him. Shows how much we overpaid for him. Pretty ridiculous.
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:33 am
by Superbone
Suns brass really screwed the pooch since the year after our Finals appearance. Amazing how far we've fallen since the record breaking regular season.
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:41 am
by ShelC
Hindsight is 20/20. Most everyone was onboard with moving off Monty, CP, Cam and Mikal. Ishbia was probably the main catalyst in making it all happen as a new owner. Jones still gets a ton of heat but I think he's weathered a few storms pretty well. Can't really blame him for this current mess.
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Hindsight is 20/20. Most everyone was onboard with moving off Monty, CP, Cam and Mikal. Ishbia was probably the main catalyst in making it all happen as a new owner. Jones still gets a ton of heat but I think he's weathered a few storms pretty well. Can't really blame him for this current mess.
I don't recall most being onboard with moving off Cam and Mikal. Just could see it necessary to get KD but we definitely didn't think we had to give up 4 first round picks too. Yeah, I blame Ishbia more than Jones.
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 11:07 am
by ShelC
I think a lot of fans were done with that iteration of the team. We were seen as too small with Mikal and Cam and Cam was coming up on an extension that was going to cost more than Mikal.
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Hindsight is 20/20. Most everyone was onboard with moving off Monty, CP, Cam and Mikal. Ishbia was probably the main catalyst in making it all happen as a new owner. Jones still gets a ton of heat but I think he's weathered a few storms pretty well. Can't really blame him for this current mess.
I think people wanted to move off Ayton and Monty, and there was the feeling that CP could go because of his contract, but I don't think anyone was looking to unload Briges and Johnson.
Trading for Beal was the biggest mistake. They already had Booker at his position and that gave them three main players who were offensive-minded (although Durant is a good defensive player). Add to that a lack of quality big men and you have a situation where no coach is going to coax this team into being good defensively.
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Hindsight is 20/20. Most everyone was onboard with moving off Monty, CP, Cam and Mikal. Ishbia was probably the main catalyst in making it all happen as a new owner. Jones still gets a ton of heat but I think he's weathered a few storms pretty well. Can't really blame him for this current mess.
I think people wanted to move off Ayton and Monty, and there was the feeling that CP could go because of his contract, but I don't think anyone was looking to unload Briges and Johnson.
Trading for Beal was the biggest mistake. They already had Booker at his position and that gave them three main players who were offensive-minded (although Durant is a good defensive player). Add to that a lack of quality big men and you have a situation where no coach is going to coax this team into being good defensively.
Yeah, Beal for Paul seemed like a steal at the time. Now, not so much. Turned out to be a negative.
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 11:28 am
by Mori Chu
I never liked how much we gave up to get KD. As much as KD is clearly our best player this year, the assets we lost to get him have crippled the team and now we are screwed for a decade to come unless we execute a savvy rebuild.
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 11:39 am
by ShelC
I don't know if a team if going to give us a pick for Tyus unless it's a 2nd. He's a FA at the end of the year and can sign anywhere else. I think Grayson and Royce are redundant but I'd move Grayson and a team near contention looking for shooting could see him as really valuable. Royce may also be more valuable to us in a reload for his shooting and defense.
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 1:45 pm
by JeremyG
I didn’t watch after halftime. What happened?
I tried to cancel my Suns Live subscription, but they sucked me into continuing by giving me my next month free. Only time will tell whether it will get used at all lol.
Re: Game Day: Suns (14-13) @ Nuggets (15-11), Mon 12/23/24
I think a lot of fans were done with that iteration of the team. We were seen as too small with Mikal and Cam and Cam was coming up on an extension that was going to cost more than Mikal.
I was done. I was ready to get a player with some stones. Too many lackadaisical players at that time and with CP3 falling off Book wasn't good enough to carry the team.
I would take that lackadaisical, fun team over this bullshit in hindsight.