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INFORMER wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:30 pm

The problem is that Ishbia's "competing for a championship" amounts to spending money and chasing names. That's not a basketball strategy. Look at the last two coaching hires. Vogel won a championship. Budenholzer won a championship. It's like Ishbia just said, "I want to win a championship so I am going to get a coach that has won a championship." Ishbia thinks stars win championships, so he tries to get every single one that he can.

And hey, Isaiah Thomas has also won championships!!

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:15 pm

Who the F is Eddie Gonzalez and why should I care what he has to say? lol

Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:35 pm

All this is making me remember when the New York Mets acquired Roberto Alomar, Mo Vaughn, and Rickey Henderson.

All this is making me miss Jerry Colangelo.

Isn't that Ishbia's burner account?

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:46 pm

Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:35 pm

All this is making me remember when the New York Mets acquired Roberto Alomar, Mo Vaughn, and Rickey Henderson.

All this is making me miss Jerry Colangelo.

I don't understand how Phoenix is such a magnet for clueless owners.

I know good owners don't grow on trees, but man...

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:50 pm

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:46 pm

Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:35 pm

All this is making me remember when the New York Mets acquired Roberto Alomar, Mo Vaughn, and Rickey Henderson.

All this is making me miss Jerry Colangelo.

I don't understand how Phoenix is such a magnet for clueless owners.

I know good owners don't grow on trees, but man...

I think his heart is in the right place but his doubling down on his bad decisions isn't helping here..

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:53 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:50 pm

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:46 pm

Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:35 pm

All this is making me remember when the New York Mets acquired Roberto Alomar, Mo Vaughn, and Rickey Henderson.

All this is making me miss Jerry Colangelo.

I don't understand how Phoenix is such a magnet for clueless owners.

I know good owners don't grow on trees, but man...

I think his heart is in the right place but his doubling down on his bad decisions isn't helping here..

Honestly, that does nothing for me because he is getting the most important thing wrong. It's great that he is fan-centric, and he wants to invest in the organization, but none of that really matters if he insists on putting a bad product on the court.

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:56 pm

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:53 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:50 pm

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:46 pm

Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:35 pm

All this is making me remember when the New York Mets acquired Roberto Alomar, Mo Vaughn, and Rickey Henderson.

All this is making me miss Jerry Colangelo.

I don't understand how Phoenix is such a magnet for clueless owners.

I know good owners don't grow on trees, but man...

I think his heart is in the right place but his doubling down on his bad decisions isn't helping here..

Honestly, that does nothing for me because he is getting the most important thing wrong. It's great that he is fan-centric, and he wants to invest in the organization, but none of that really matters if he insists on putting a bad product on the court.

New owner growing pains that's unfortunately going to waste Booker's good years. I've all but given up on Valley sports.

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:59 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:56 pm

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:53 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:50 pm

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:46 pm

All this is making me miss Jerry Colangelo.

I don't understand how Phoenix is such a magnet for clueless owners.

I know good owners don't grow on trees, but man...

I think his heart is in the right place but his doubling down on his bad decisions isn't helping here..

Honestly, that does nothing for me because he is getting the most important thing wrong. It's great that he is fan-centric, and he wants to invest in the organization, but none of that really matters if he insists on putting a bad product on the court.

New owner growing pains that's unfortunately going to waste Booker's good years. I've all but given up on Valley sports.

Huh? Dbacks have been good the last couple of seasons.

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:50 pm

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:46 pm

Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:35 pm

All this is making me remember when the New York Mets acquired Roberto Alomar, Mo Vaughn, and Rickey Henderson.

All this is making me miss Jerry Colangelo.

I don't understand how Phoenix is such a magnet for clueless owners.

I know good owners don't grow on trees, but man...

I might have something to offer here, since I see a lot of similarities in other areas of business where I live right now.

A lot of these billionaires grew to be successful by trusting their instincts. Of course they surround themselves with smart people who give them advice, but in the end they trusted their own guts and came out successful, and therefore have all the faith in the world that their guts know more about this world than professionals trained in their respective industries combined.

And then these billionaires get bored with their own thing and buy sports clubs where they are invested emotionally, and they follow their guts. The rules of professional sports are, unfortunately, very different from the majority of other businesses, and so more often than not, any new deep-pocketed owner who wants to be the face of the franchise end up falling on their faces.

Most owners who are a net plus to their franchises tend to find good caretakers and stay out of the way. The only recent NBA owner who meddled a lot who enjoyed some success that I can remember is Cuban.

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:00 pm

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:59 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:56 pm

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:53 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:50 pm

I don't understand how Phoenix is such a magnet for clueless owners.

I know good owners don't grow on trees, but man...

I think his heart is in the right place but his doubling down on his bad decisions isn't helping here..

Honestly, that does nothing for me because he is getting the most important thing wrong. It's great that he is fan-centric, and he wants to invest in the organization, but none of that really matters if he insists on putting a bad product on the court.

New owner growing pains that's unfortunately going to waste Booker's good years. I've all but given up on Valley sports.

Huh? Dbacks have been good the last couple of seasons.

I'm not a huge baseball fan. I'm happy the Dbacks are doing well though.

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:02 pm

Kryptonic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:00 pm

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:59 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:56 pm

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:53 pm

I think his heart is in the right place but his doubling down on his bad decisions isn't helping here..

Honestly, that does nothing for me because he is getting the most important thing wrong. It's great that he is fan-centric, and he wants to invest in the organization, but none of that really matters if he insists on putting a bad product on the court.

New owner growing pains that's unfortunately going to waste Booker's good years. I've all but given up on Valley sports.

Huh? Dbacks have been good the last couple of seasons.

I'm not a huge baseball fan. I'm happy the Dbacks are doing well though.

I feel you and feel like it’s a lot better since the rules changes…. Games are 2 1/2 hours instead if 3-4 hours. I think I like it also for the affordability and flexibility of games.

Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:38 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:30 pm

The problem is that Ishbia's "competing for a championship" amounts to spending money and chasing names. That's not a basketball strategy. Look at the last two coaching hires. Vogel won a championship. Budenholzer won a championship. It's like Ishbia just said, "I want to win a championship so I am going to get a coach that has won a championship." Ishbia thinks stars win championships, so he tries to get every single one that he can.

And hey, Isaiah Thomas has also won championships!!

What’s Darko Miličić up to these days?

Doc Rivers is available, isn’t he?

So I see we’ve reached the point that all trades are bad because of what we think it means for the future…we really down bad.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:03 pm

I don't love the path Ishbia is taking with this roster right now, but I really wouldn't love winning fewer than 30 games and putting all hope into a 19-20 year old every summer that might be really good 4 years later.

Well I definitely don't think it's either/or.

I didn't really put much thought into sauce's anti-draft pick rant the other day, mainly because he is irrationally against building through the draft, so I didn't realize how inaccurate his statement was about OKC. After they finally ended the Russell Westbrook era, they only missed the playoffs for three years, and one of those years they finished 40-42. That's actually a pretty impressive turnaround.

Cap wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:07 pm

Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:38 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:30 pm

The problem is that Ishbia's "competing for a championship" amounts to spending money and chasing names. That's not a basketball strategy. Look at the last two coaching hires. Vogel won a championship. Budenholzer won a championship. It's like Ishbia just said, "I want to win a championship so I am going to get a coach that has won a championship." Ishbia thinks stars win championships, so he tries to get every single one that he can.

And hey, Isaiah Thomas has also won championships!!

What’s Darko Miličić up to these days?

Doc Rivers is available, isn’t he?

He will be soon enough.

I just posted in the Butler thread that I'm mildly and positively surprised by this pick swap trade. The team has proved to be reasonably resourceful in coming up with assets when there are few avenues to do so. I think the general malaise we see on this board, and probably rightfully so, is the fear that the team won't hang on to any of these assets and will just turn them all into used tires and to light them on fire.

Getting SGA in that PG trade was a major coup

pickle wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:10 pm

I just posted in the Butler thread that I'm mildly and positively surprised by this pick swap trade. The team has proved to be reasonably resourceful in coming up with assets when there are few avenues to do so. I think the general malaise we see on this board, and probably rightfully so, is the fear that the team won't hang on to any of these assets and will just turn them all into used tires and to light them on fire.

Ya I get it…and I do think it means another trade is coming…but 3 for 1 seems great

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:11 pm

Getting SGA in that PG trade was a major coup

Yeah, SGA trade is the only reason OKC is working as intended.