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Xylus wrote:Miami's crowds suck balls.

Thats because its hard to root for your team when its in Cleveland.

I wonder if the Heat color guy will ever learn to say Dragic's name right. Even Zoran got some burn in the game.

Superbone wrote:I wonder if the Heat color guy will ever learn to say Dragic's name right. Even Zoran got some burn in the game.

Promises fulfilled!!!!

Sunsfan4life wrote:Yea its hard to hate the dragon, even after what he did in the media which was unprofessional IMO.

I think what he did yesterday was wrong and a poor decision on his part and he is kinda admitting that here saying his words came out harsher then he intended.

That being said I have no problem rooting for him in Miami. Its alot easier then rooting for him in NY and GASP LA!

my sentiments exactly. i can almost swallow NY, but please basketball gods, no LA... i would have to reevaluate my entire world view if two straight favorite suns pgs went to the lakers. i would have to check and make sure i haven't done anything really bad in a past life to deserve that.

INFORMER wrote:

Shabazz wrote:

SDC wrote:i know this is just one guy's opinion, but to those who only rank dragic as the 9th or 10th best PG...

Which one of these players is Dragic better than?

Westbrook
Curry
Paul
Wall
Lillard
Irving
Lowry
Conley

Definitely Lowry. I'd take him over Lillard. Wall's shooting and ball control is too shaky for me. Chris Paul is clearly a superior talent, but I don't believe you can win with him. Conley is more complete than Dragic, but I think Dragic can be more of an assassin on offense than Conley. Irving has taken a huge leap this year, but his defense and playmaking are still questionable.

good evaluation...

i think to make a fair comparison we need to first define the premises of such a comparison... are we talking about "if i'm building a team for the next year and i have my selection of any pg, who would i take, the rest of the team a blank roster that will further be filled out based on pg selection" or, say, 5 years, or if the rest of the roster is already in place... it's pretty tough to make these straight up comparisons devoid of context, and a case can be made for many of the players on the list, especially if we look at specific skillsets. dragic was/is among the best at getting to the rim and getting a shot off, for that i've admired him for a few years now.

btw i don't mean to be singling you out inf. just so happens that i clicked on reply when reading your message.

personally i would worry a little about goran's age if i'm building a young team, but if i'm on a veteran team needing a push he would be one of my top choices. he is a great add for miami, except, well, wade's health is shot, and apparently bosh is following suit...

I think depending on Bosh's health, Goran's out of there.

ShelC wrote:I think depending on Bosh's health, Goran's out of there.

If that happened, frankly, I'd feel bad for ripping them off so egregiously.

I'd feel bad for ripping them off so egregiously.

Sarcasm?

ShelC wrote:I think depending on Bosh's health, Goran's out of there.

Any chance the Spurs find a way to get a good return on Tony Parker and his 45 million owed over the next 3 years, and bring in Goran? I know they wouldn't pay him 20 a season, but he seems like a great fit there. They only have like 4 guys under contract for next year too.

OE32 wrote:

ShelC wrote:I think depending on Bosh's health, Goran's out of there.

If that happened, frankly, I'd feel bad for ripping them off so egregiously.

Would it make up for unnecessarily losing the Laker pick?

Indy wrote:

I'd feel bad for ripping them off so egregiously.

Sarcasm?

Not at all. I think we hosed them even if he re-signs.

Mori Chu wrote:

OE32 wrote:

ShelC wrote:I think depending on Bosh's health, Goran's out of there.

If that happened, frankly, I'd feel bad for ripping them off so egregiously.

Would it make up for unnecessarily losing the Laker pick?

Hey! Those EPA regulations impose so many costs on businesses! Why yes. Yes they do. But also something something?

Not at all. I think we hosed them even if he re-signs.

Which part of the deal makes you so high on it? Danny Granger? Or the heavily protected pick for the next 4 years? Or the pick 6 years from this summer?

Indy wrote:

Not at all. I think we hosed them even if he re-signs.

Which part of the deal makes you so high on it? Danny Granger? Or the heavily protected pick for the next 4 years? Or the pick 6 years from this summer?

"Heavily"? You do realize the precious treasure Lakers pick is protected until pick 5, whereas the Heat pick is protected until 7, right?

And to answer your question, the fact that unprotected picks almost never change hands, the general direction I see that franchise moving in, and the fact that Goran Dragic was either going to leave us for nothing or, best case scenario, cost $20 million per year (way more than he's worth).

The Lakers pick just had one more draft of protection. We invested in that pick 4 years ago, and just now were getting ready to cash it in. So instead, we gave that away and then said, let's do that all over again.

And that wasn't a snarky question. I really was interested in knowing what you loved about the trade. I guess it is those picks in 2019 and 2021.

Indy wrote:The Lakers pick just had one more draft of protection. We invested in that pick 4 years ago, and just now were getting ready to cash it in. So instead, we gave that away and then said, let's do that all over again.

And that wasn't a snarky question. I really was interested in knowing what you loved about the trade. I guess it is those picks in 2019 and 2021.

The Lakers pick is protected next year at top 3. Then top 1. Then unprotected.

The Heat pick is protected top 7 for two years, the unprotected in 2019.

Thing is, people keep calling Knight a rental. But Dragic was actually a rental, in that he's free to leave at the end of the year. In my eyes, we got lots of something for nothing. So I'm pleased.

Right, very limited protection for Lakers pick vs waiting at least 2 more drafts, likely 4-5 before getting that first pick.

Again, probably not worth discussing since we are so far apart on the issue.

On that last part you added about Dragic walking; I agree that getting something was better than nothing (like we did in the Knight deal).

Indy wrote:On that last part you added about Dragic walking; I agree that getting something was better than nothing (like we did in the Knight deal).

Well at least you're on a road to redemption. Willing to bet against our re-signing Brandon Knight?

Mind-boggling dissonance from where I sit.

Well at least there is something about this issue we can agree on!