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Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:00 am
by SDC
Sunsfan4life wrote:SDC,
I don't think there was anything obvious about trading at the deadline. You have no idea what was being discussed or who was being discussed. You don't trade 1st rd picks for guys who may help you get the 8th seed for 3months then leave. Especially when its an aging vet like Gasol. That is a receipt for disaster. The team was fun this yr, would of loved to of made the playoffs, but judging by what trades actually went down their were barely any moves made that effected the playoff race (Evan Turner and Hawes were probably the 2 most notable)
Maybe a Spencer Hawes or a Thaddus Young would of been a better course of action and could of been had for cheaper (in Hawes case) , but I think it was obvious that we had a long term plan and weren't budging from it just so we could scoop up the 8th seed this yr. I am perfectly fine with that.
It's the Aaron Brooks for Dragic and a 1st rd pick trades that set teams back.
i dont think the indy pick was too much to ask. gasol would have allowed miles plumlee to rest his aching knees for at least 1 month or more like bledsoe. the guy was obviously not right after the all star break.
and if the suns (with gasol) went all the way to the WCF, i'd probably even prioritize signing him up FIRST before bledsoe in the off season--instead of treating this like a rental.
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:02 am
by SDC
It's the Aaron Brooks for Dragic and a 1st rd pick trades that set teams back.
the fact taht you compare the potential gasol trade to this just shows your ignorance. 29 out of 30 GMs with the same situation would have done the gasol trade, while giving up only the indy pick plus okafor. only mcdo stands out for being dumb enough to pass on this deal.
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:08 am
by Ring_Wanted
Sunsfan4life wrote:Yea I get your reasoning Ring, I really do.
It was more directed at SDC, because I don't think its as white and black as he is suggesting. There is a lot of Grey like what other teams are asking for, what said player helps us get, whether he'll be here long term, whether he is healthy ETC...
If we were talking about 2005-2007 I would agree, because a move could of help us contend for Ship
Yeah, but usually you have to start with something
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:10 am
by SDC
a lot of suns players need to get paid. question for mcdo, do you build on the success of this team, or pass on paying the players their just compensation by trading them away for more picks? trading for love would be nice, but i dont think mcdo has the skills needed to get something like this done. a fire sale, sure...
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:35 am
by Mori Chu
It's the Aaron Brooks for Dragic and a 1st rd pick trades that set teams back.
Ugh, can you believe how bad that trade was?? It still angers me. (And, to be fair, I supported it at the time. I didn't realize how far Aaron Brooks had fallen.)
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:35 am
by SwingMan
SDC wrote:a lot of suns players need to get paid. question for mcdo, do you build on the success of this team, or pass on paying the players their just compensation by trading them away for more picks? trading for love would be nice, but i dont think mcdo has the skills needed to get something like this done. a fire sale, sure...
You do realize the logistics of the 3-way trade for Bledsoe last summer were all McDonough, right?
I think you've either got brain lock on the Suns' GM situation or you're talking out of your ass - Blanks is no longer calling the shots.
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:54 am
by Sunsfan4life
You do realize McD is most likely going to win executive of the yr, correct? So those 29 other GMs think had the best yr of any front office, man?
Pretty sure I'll side with him over someone who seems to have delusional opinions of how good this suns team actually was. Did you also consider Gasol's injury history? He was hurt at the time of the deadline with no time table then wound up getting vertigo later in the year...I am shocked I feel the need to defend a guy won EOTY to you, but maybe I have to defend Hornecek as COY or Durant as MVP as well...
What suns players need to get paid that are a priority? Bledsoe and Dragic and? Sure I'd like to have some of the guys back, but nobody is throwing multi year 7-8mil dollar offers at the Twins,Ish,Tucker or Green and if they do...well good luck with that.
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:57 am
by Sunsfan4life
Its pretty laughable you say 29 out of 30Gms would of traded for Gasol when nobody traded for him.
The Lakers were demanding a 1st...maybe more, and nobody was giving in.
You are very entitled to your opinion, but I hate when people act like they know whats being offered and whats going on behind closed doors.
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:07 am
by INFORMER
SDC wrote:INFORMER wrote:SDC wrote:INFORMER wrote:SDC wrote:
who would you have taken at that time at the number 5. obviously we know for sure now athat trey burke and michael carter williams are good players, but those werent your guys initially right?
I wanted Kelly Olynyk. Ideally I wanted to trade down.
i do recall you pining for cj mccollum.
I liked him too. And I really like Rudy Gobert too.
but you werent calling for olynyk or gobert to be picked at #5. it was oladipo (good choice) then mccollum.
I wanted to trade down if Oladipo wasn't there. I had Olynyk rated higher than McCollum.
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:26 am
by sunset rubdown
SDC wrote:Sunsfan4life wrote:SDC,
I don't think there was anything obvious about trading at the deadline. You have no idea what was being discussed or who was being discussed. You don't trade 1st rd picks for guys who may help you get the 8th seed for 3months then leave. Especially when its an aging vet like Gasol. That is a receipt for disaster. The team was fun this yr, would of loved to of made the playoffs, but judging by what trades actually went down their were barely any moves made that effected the playoff race (Evan Turner and Hawes were probably the 2 most notable)
Maybe a Spencer Hawes or a Thaddus Young would of been a better course of action and could of been had for cheaper (in Hawes case) , but I think it was obvious that we had a long term plan and weren't budging from it just so we could scoop up the 8th seed this yr. I am perfectly fine with that.
It's the Aaron Brooks for Dragic and a 1st rd pick trades that set teams back.
i dont think the indy pick was too much to ask. gasol would have allowed miles plumlee to rest his aching knees for at least 1 month or more like bledsoe. the guy was obviously not right after the all star break.
and if the suns (with gasol) went all the way to the WCF, i'd probably even prioritize signing him up FIRST before bledsoe in the off season--instead of treating this like a rental.
You know Pau Gasol hadn`t even played since February?
On top of that Lakers` beat writer Mike Bresnahan was talking about how Kupchak wants 2 firsts for Gasol. 3 months rental of injured Gasol, to be frank.
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:52 am
by Superbone
SDC wrote:It's the Aaron Brooks for Dragic and a 1st rd pick trades that set teams back.
the fact taht you compare the potential gasol trade to this just shows your ignorance. 29 out of 30 GMs with the same situation would have done the gasol trade, while giving up only the indy pick plus okafor. only mcdo stands out for being dumb enough to pass on this deal.
I didn't realize you were involved in the trade proposals. I had no idea we had an insider. Huh.
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:52 am
by Superbone
SDC wrote:
and if the suns (with gasol) went all the way to the WCF, i'd probably even prioritize signing him up FIRST before bledsoe in the off season--instead of treating this like a rental.
Quite the imagination you have.
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:38 pm
by SDC
Mori Chu wrote:It's the Aaron Brooks for Dragic and a 1st rd pick trades that set teams back.
Ugh, can you believe how bad that trade was?? It still angers me. (And, to be fair, I supported it at the time. I didn't realize how far Aaron Brooks had fallen.)
the difference between that trade and the proposed gasol trade was that the suns gave up dragic. everybody except morichu thought it was a bad idea. that blanks trade was a firable offense
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:39 pm
by SDC
SwingMan wrote:SDC wrote:a lot of suns players need to get paid. question for mcdo, do you build on the success of this team, or pass on paying the players their just compensation by trading them away for more picks? trading for love would be nice, but i dont think mcdo has the skills needed to get something like this done. a fire sale, sure...
You do realize the logistics of the 3-way trade for Bledsoe last summer were all McDonough, right?
I think you've either got brain lock on the Suns' GM situation or you're talking out of your ass - Blanks is no longer calling the shots.
there's a reason why the clippers gave up bledsoe for cheap.
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:42 pm
by SDC
Sunsfan4life wrote:Its pretty laughable you say 29 out of 30Gms would of traded for Gasol when nobody traded for him.
the suns were the only team capable of giving the lakers what they want without giving up anything significant in return.
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:44 pm
by SDC
sunset rubdown wrote:
You know Pau Gasol hadn`t even played since February?
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his last ailment had him suffering from "vertigo" or something.
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:17 am
by TOO
Vertigo sucks, believe that. I'd rather sprain something.
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:37 am
by Sunsfan4life
Gasol had a groin injury right around deadline that caused him to miss games. He later had a back injury and then finished with vertigo. I still think he has some Gas left in the tank, but he obviously had some injury issues early and often this yr.
Their were several teams that could of taken on Gasol from LA. They also could of used a 3rd team such as Philadelphia who was involved in a few 3 way trades at the deadline to dump salaries to make a deal work.The demand was the same around the league....they wanted 1st rd pick or picks and space. That's what was reported and although I'm not in the room with them the fact that they didn't trade him and other teams that were rumored to be going after him, such as Cleveland, did other things, I think its a pretty good assumption the picks held it up.
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:53 pm
by Superbone
Players' thank you to the fans:
Re: Phoenix Suns 2013-2014: Year In Review
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:14 pm
by TOO
If a team were to use Gasol like the Spurs use Duncan, I see no reason why he couldn't still be a very solid contributor. He's still among the most skilled bigs in the NBA, heck I'd sign him to a reasonable FA deal if he were so inclined.