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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:46 pm
by Superbone
I’m not holding my breath for a high pick. We got lucky last year. Two years in a row is asking for a lot. I’m going to try to relax and hope to be pleasantly surprised but I’m prepared for the worst. From what I’ve read, there are 3 tiers at the top. 1,2 then 3 all alone, followed by the next batch.
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:04 pm
by INFORMER
I'm fine with any pick in the top 4, but I'm hoping for the #2 pick.
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:08 pm
by Split T
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:46 pm
I’m not holding my breath for a high pick. We got lucky last year. Two years in a row is asking for a lot. I’m going to try to relax and hope to be pleasantly surprised but I’m prepared for the worst. From what I’ve read, there are 3 tiers at the top. 1,2 then 3 all alone, followed by the next batch.
I’d say the tiers are 1, then 2, then the rest...and by the rest I mean like 3-7
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:29 am
by Cap
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:04 pm
I'm fine with any pick in the top 4, but I'm hoping for the #2 pick.
Hoping for #2? Does that mean you prefer Ja to Zion?
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:21 am
by TOO
Cap wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:29 am
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:04 pm
I'm fine with any pick in the top 4, but I'm hoping for the #2 pick.
Hoping for #2? Does that mean you prefer Ja to Zion?
You can move down or out with #2 because it's not Zion, you dont feel pigeonholed into a specific player like we were last year.
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:00 am
by Shabazz
Sad Suns Fan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:21 am
Cap wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:29 am
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:04 pm
I'm fine with any pick in the top 4, but I'm hoping for the #2 pick.
Hoping for #2? Does that mean you prefer Ja to Zion?
You can move down or out with #2 because it's not Zion, you dont feel pigeonholed into a specific player like we were last year.
I feel like we would have taken Bagley had we gotten the #2 pick last year.
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:40 am
by Superbone
Shabazz wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:00 am
Sad Suns Fan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:21 am
Cap wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:29 am
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:04 pm
I'm fine with any pick in the top 4, but I'm hoping for the #2 pick.
Hoping for #2? Does that mean you prefer Ja to Zion?
You can move down or out with #2 because it's not Zion, you dont feel pigeonholed into a specific player like we were last year.
I feel like we would have taken Bagley had we gotten the #2 pick last year.
That's what I was just wondering. Would we have taken Doncic #2 or not?
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:00 pm
by INFORMER
Cap wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:29 am
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:04 pm
I'm fine with any pick in the top 4, but I'm hoping for the #2 pick.
Hoping for #2? Does that mean you prefer Ja to Zion?
I think Morant improves this team more than Zion does. And I think Zion marginalizes Ayton. If the Suns had gotten Doncic in last year's draft, I would say Zion would be the best fit for the team.
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:19 pm
by specialsauce
Doncic Booker and Zion. My God.
Although, to be fair I don’t think with Doncic this team is in play for the #1 pick.
Not to say I’m unhappy with Ayton, just that Doncic’s impact on the league and his team I think was greater this year.
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:33 pm
by Split T
Fun fact: Dallas was better this year when Luka was on the bench
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:34 pm
by Superbone
Split T wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:33 pm
Fun fact: Dallas was better this year when Luka was on the bench
Whoa.
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:05 pm
by JeremyG
Split T wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:33 pm
Fun fact: Dallas was better this year when Luka was on the bench
Are you talking about games he missed, or all games when he was not on the floor?
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:32 pm
by Split T
JeremyG wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:05 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:33 pm
Fun fact: Dallas was better this year when Luka was on the bench
Are you talking about games he missed, or all games when he was not on the floor?
All games...Dallas is -3.9 when he’s on the court and +0.8 when he’s off
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:00 pm
by In2ition
Idk who said it, but Doncic is like a lot of rookies. He plays better when he plays with better players. Towards the end of the year when Dallas started to tank, they had worse players on the court with him, making him look human.
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:05 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
In2ition wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:00 pm
Idk who said it, but Doncic is like a lot of rookies. He plays better when he plays with better players. Towards the end of the year when Dallas started to tank, they had worse players on the court with him, making him look human.
Tell that to Josh Jackson.
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:34 pm
by Mori Chu
Split T wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:33 pm
Fun fact: Dallas was better this year when Luka was on the bench
I don't like that phrasing. They may have had a better +/- as a team. But if you watched any Mavs games with or without Doncic, there is no way anybody would say they are better without him. He's great for them. A stat like +/- is mostly garbage because it blends together a bunch of factors that you don't want to bunch together, such as who else was on the court, what the teams had to play for at that point in the season, etc.
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:14 pm
by Split T
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:34 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:33 pm
Fun fact: Dallas was better this year when Luka was on the bench
I don't like that phrasing. They may have had a better +/- as a team. But if you watched any Mavs games with or without Doncic, there is no way anybody would say they are better without him. He's great for them. A stat like +/- is mostly garbage because it blends together a bunch of factors that you don't want to bunch together, such as who else was on the court, what the teams had to play for at that point in the season, etc.
Sure, +/- doesn’t tell the whole story, but it’s still interesting. Luka was playing against starters and was probably on the bench when the other teams bench was on the court. Tells me that the Dallas bench was pretty good and often outplayed opponents. JJ Barea was one of their higher +/- guys and I remember earlier in the year Dallas going on a big losing streak when he went out with injury.
I don’t say these things to call doncic a bad player. He’s obviously fantastic, but was mostly in response to saying we wouldn’t be in position to draft Zion if we had Doncic. Doncic is still a rookie and I don’t think he would have been a magical fix to all our problems this year.
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:24 pm
by specialsauce
Split T wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:14 pm
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:34 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:33 pm
Fun fact: Dallas was better this year when Luka was on the bench
I don't like that phrasing. They may have had a better +/- as a team. But if you watched any Mavs games with or without Doncic, there is no way anybody would say they are better without him. He's great for them. A stat like +/- is mostly garbage because it blends together a bunch of factors that you don't want to bunch together, such as who else was on the court, what the teams had to play for at that point in the season, etc.
Sure, +/- doesn’t tell the whole story, but it’s still interesting. Luka was playing against starters and was probably on the bench when the other teams bench was on the court. Tells me that the Dallas bench was pretty good and often outplayed opponents. JJ Barea was one of their higher +/- guys and I remember earlier in the year Dallas going on a big losing streak when he went out with injury.
I don’t say these things to call doncic a bad player. He’s obviously fantastic, but was mostly in response to saying we wouldn’t be in position to draft Zion if we had Doncic. Doncic is still a rookie and I don’t think he would have been a magical fix to all our problems this year.
We’d have a better record than now I think
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:31 pm
by Split T
Could very well be true...but we’d have to be significantly better to be out of Zion range. Hawks have like 10 more wins and are still 5th worst
Re: 2019 NBA Draft Thread
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:57 pm
by Split T
I think I’m moving Hunter back up my draft board. He’s very unlikely to be a star, but I know he’ll be good. he’ll defend 4 positions and he’ll hit 3’s. Everyone else after Zion, Ja, and Clarke has big question marks in my mind