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Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 4:19 pm
by Superbone
Indy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 2:51 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 2:45 pm
SunsRIt wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 2:21 pm
TOO wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 2:14 pm
Still, he relies on other people to get him those shots, he is not a shot creator, that is what this team is lacking.
That’s what point guards, shooting guards and small forwards are for. Not centers.
Tell that to Embiid, Jokic, and Giannis.
Giannis is a PF.
Which is not a guard, SG, or SF, is it?
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 4:23 pm
by Superbone
The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:38 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:02 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 2:58 pm
Look had CP3 been healthy, Ayton would have had better looks and teams would not have been able to blitz Booker to great affect in the mavs series.
The offense couldn’t adjust on the floor. Ayton bitched about not being spoon fed, the rest of the team couldn’t get its shit together either. Cam Payne was a total no show too.
I don’t hold it against Ayton for not getting his number of pick and rolls, but I do think he laid a fucking egg being soft as shit half the time. He didn’t dominAyt on the boards or fight for better positioning. He bitched to his coach and sulked.
If any player had the rights to bitch over his team it’s Book having endured years of bullshit teammates.
Exactly. I do not blame our early exit on Ayton. Our entire team sucked, regardless if they were injured. But I only saw one person outwardly quit.
Oh, I think they all pretty much quit that last game. Ayton's the one whose frustration boiled over, but the Revenge Tour Bus had its engine seize prior to game 7.
True, the whole thing is still a UFO for me. Unidentified F'ing Occurrence.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 4:35 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 5:19 pm
by Superbone
LOL, FF. No stone unturned.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 5:25 pm
by specialsauce
He gone
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 5:31 pm
by Drewsprocket
Something to be discussed around the whole Ayton thing regards what about the PG position?
Does having another star make for a healthy CP3 in the post season?
What are the implications of paying star $ for CP3 when he may not be reliable at all?
Does having Saric back “unlock Cam Payne?” -as Indy puts it.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 5:38 pm
by JustWinBaby
It appears that Ayton has not been part of most the team's activities off the court. Maybe he really wants to get out of town.
That still does not justify Booker's, Paul's, Johnson's and Mikal's total disappearance in game 7, for that matter most of the playoffs.
What a shame. This team seemed so special.
WTF happened after game 2 against the Mav's. Monty said that we were prepared for anything the Mav's could do.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 7:56 pm
by Indy
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 5:31 pm
Something to be discussed around the whole Ayton thing regards what about the PG position?
Does having another star make for a healthy CP3 in the post season?
What are the implications of paying star $ for CP3 when he may not be reliable at all?
Does having Saric back “unlock Cam Payne?” -as Indy puts it.
Not my quote--I think it was maybe Split?--but I do agree with the sentiment. Saric is an above average facilitator from the Center spot, and having an attacking guard play with him helps both of them a lot.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 8:48 pm
by Split T
I’m cool giving Payne another shot at the backup pg spot, assuming we add a stretch big or play Saric as that really does seem to be a need for him and I agree with Indy it helps Saric too to have a downhill pg. Just make sure he’s not our 3rd ball handler. We need someone else and it can’t be Shamet either.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 9:00 pm
by The Bobster
Indy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 7:56 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 5:31 pm
Something to be discussed around the whole Ayton thing regards what about the PG position?
Does having another star make for a healthy CP3 in the post season?
What are the implications of paying star $ for CP3 when he may not be reliable at all?
Does having Saric back “unlock Cam Payne?” -as Indy puts it.
Not my quote--I think it was maybe Split?--but I do agree with the sentiment. Saric is an above average facilitator from the Center spot, and having an attacking guard play with him helps both of them a lot.
And the interior defense and rebounding will be shit.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 9:24 pm
by specialsauce
Hell no done with Payne as our backup PG. Would rather keep Holiday as the third, move Payne and get someone more reliable
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 9:33 pm
by Indy
The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 9:00 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 7:56 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 5:31 pm
Something to be discussed around the whole Ayton thing regards what about the PG position?
Does having another star make for a healthy CP3 in the post season?
What are the implications of paying star $ for CP3 when he may not be reliable at all?
Does having Saric back “unlock Cam Payne?” -as Indy puts it.
Not my quote--I think it was maybe Split?--but I do agree with the sentiment. Saric is an above average facilitator from the Center spot, and having an attacking guard play with him helps both of them a lot.
And the interior defense and rebounding will be shit.
I don't think anyone is saying he should be the starter. And McGee's defense was pretty shitty this year, so i am not sure it would be much different. Just bad in a different way.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 9:36 pm
by specialsauce
I don’t want Javale back. I’d go Biz/Saric/Someone else
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 5:26 am
by Split T
The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 9:00 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 7:56 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 5:31 pm
Something to be discussed around the whole Ayton thing regards what about the PG position?
Does having another star make for a healthy CP3 in the post season?
What are the implications of paying star $ for CP3 when he may not be reliable at all?
Does having Saric back “unlock Cam Payne?” -as Indy puts it.
Not my quote--I think it was maybe Split?--but I do agree with the sentiment. Saric is an above average facilitator from the Center spot, and having an attacking guard play with him helps both of them a lot.
And the interior defense and rebounding will be shit.
I think Saric does fine. We’re talking about him going against 2nd units here. He’s no rim protector, but he plays solid positional defense and he’s fine as a rebounder. Just need others to contribute.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 7:53 am
by iLLmatic
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 4:23 pm
The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:38 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:02 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 2:58 pm
Look had CP3 been healthy, Ayton would have had better looks and teams would not have been able to blitz Booker to great affect in the mavs series.
The offense couldn’t adjust on the floor. Ayton bitched about not being spoon fed, the rest of the team couldn’t get its shit together either. Cam Payne was a total no show too.
I don’t hold it against Ayton for not getting his number of pick and rolls, but I do think he laid a fucking egg being soft as shit half the time. He didn’t dominAyt on the boards or fight for better positioning. He bitched to his coach and sulked.
If any player had the rights to bitch over his team it’s Book having endured years of bullshit teammates.
Exactly. I do not blame our early exit on Ayton. Our entire team sucked, regardless if they were injured. But I only saw one person outwardly quit.
Oh, I think they all pretty much quit that last game. Ayton's the one whose frustration boiled over, but the Revenge Tour Bus had its engine seize prior to game 7.
True, the whole thing is still a UFO for me. Unidentified F'ing Occurrence.
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks something happened internally that they aren't talking about. How else do you explain that colossal collapse? We went from absolutely dominating teams to that. I don't get what happened.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 11:36 am
by Superbone
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 7:53 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 4:23 pm
The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:38 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 3:02 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 2:58 pm
Look had CP3 been healthy, Ayton would have had better looks and teams would not have been able to blitz Booker to great affect in the mavs series.
The offense couldn’t adjust on the floor. Ayton bitched about not being spoon fed, the rest of the team couldn’t get its shit together either. Cam Payne was a total no show too.
I don’t hold it against Ayton for not getting his number of pick and rolls, but I do think he laid a fucking egg being soft as shit half the time. He didn’t dominAyt on the boards or fight for better positioning. He bitched to his coach and sulked.
If any player had the rights to bitch over his team it’s Book having endured years of bullshit teammates.
Exactly. I do not blame our early exit on Ayton. Our entire team sucked, regardless if they were injured. But I only saw one person outwardly quit.
Oh, I think they all pretty much quit that last game. Ayton's the one whose frustration boiled over, but the Revenge Tour Bus had its engine seize prior to game 7.
True, the whole thing is still a UFO for me. Unidentified F'ing Occurrence.
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks something happened internally that they aren't talking about. How else do you explain that colossal collapse? We went from absolutely dominating teams to that. I don't get what happened.
Gotta be something like that. They all looked like zombies in game 7. And not the fast World War Z zombies either.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 11:51 am
by Drewsprocket
specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 9:36 pm
I don’t want Javale back. I’d go Biz/Saric/Someone else
I’m dizzy so far with what’s happened. Javale is a glue guy, put up good numbers in regular season and was very entertaining. I’d argue he had more fun dunks than Ayton this year. He was great offensively. It’s just in the playoffs he doesn’t really have a solid role. Especially when the team is down, he tends to gamble on D and get blown by. He just needs to stay down. IDK, there definitely needs to be a retooling regardless if we keep Ayton or not. Book is the only guy that feels essential -probably Bridges too.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 11:52 am
by JeremyG
They say the better team always wins a 7 game series. But the Mavs were clearly not the better team. We just quit. Weird that there haven't been any substantial rumors about it.
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 12:13 pm
by specialsauce
He has PJ Tucker syndrome on offense, he thinks he has way more ability than he actually does. He gambles on D and I just don’t think he plays smart ball for the playoffs. He’s fancy and fun but not someone you want to rely on. He’s a solid third C situationally
Re: Suns Off-Season Thread
Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 12:14 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri May 27, 2022 11:52 am
They say the better team always wins a 7 game series. But the Mavs were clearly not the better team. We just quit. Weird that there haven't been any substantial rumors about it.
Yep, I can't think of a more disappointing exit in the history of my Suns' fandom. At least previous teams fought until the end and weren't totally humiliated.