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I'd love it but I can't believe the Nets accepting that deal.

The Suns get the 2 best players in the 9 person trade. Not sure that will fly.

Is Buddy better than Cam J and Ayton? Probably Cam J, but I think Ayton is definitely #2 here.

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:53 am

Is Buddy better than Cam J and Ayton? Probably Cam J, but I think Ayton is definitely #2 here.

Buddy on a declining salary of 20, then 18 next year seems comparable to Ayton at 30M-42M over the next 5 years.

Ya I guess if we’re factoring in money. Ignoring money I think Ayton is the 2nd best player though.

I agree, but I think we really need creators and guys that can dribble.

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:02 am

I agree, but I think we really need creators and guys that can dribble.

Heild can do both. Creating for others is not one of his elite skills or anything but I think he can do enough in that regard. His scoring and shooting abilities will be huge for us.

Ayton is the better play and 23, he would be apart of Indy’s future core while just Heild isn’t. Getting Ayton for Heild would be great get for Indy.

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Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:47 am

The Suns get the 2 best players in the 9 person trade. Not sure that will fly.

Why not? KD is forcing his way here. Ayton for Heild is probably better than any package they would get for Heild anyways. I don’t see the big deal.

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:53 am

Is Buddy better than Cam J and Ayton? Probably Cam J, but I think Ayton is definitely #2 here.

And yet you said yesterday that you would prefer to give up Ayton in order to keep Cam J.

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Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:40 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:53 am

Is Buddy better than Cam J and Ayton? Probably Cam J, but I think Ayton is definitely #2 here.

And yet you said yesterday that you would prefer to give up Ayton in order to keep Cam J.

No I said I’d prefer to have Turner and Cam J to just Ayton. I did say I’d rather have Mikal over Ayton

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Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:42 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:40 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:53 am

Is Buddy better than Cam J and Ayton? Probably Cam J, but I think Ayton is definitely #2 here.

And yet you said yesterday that you would prefer to give up Ayton in order to keep Cam J.

No I said I’d prefer to have Turner and Cam J to just Ayton. I did say I’d rather have Mikal over Ayton

But then if Turner walks next summer, you're left with just Cam J.

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Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:43 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:42 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:40 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:53 am

Is Buddy better than Cam J and Ayton? Probably Cam J, but I think Ayton is definitely #2 here.

And yet you said yesterday that you would prefer to give up Ayton in order to keep Cam J.

No I said I’d prefer to have Turner and Cam J to just Ayton. I did say I’d rather have Mikal over Ayton

But then if Turner walks next summer, you're left with just Cam J.

Cam J could also leave next summer. I’m not factoring what could happen into my decision. Ayton could have a career ending injury and we’d have nothing.

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:47 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:43 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:42 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:40 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:53 am

Is Buddy better than Cam J and Ayton? Probably Cam J, but I think Ayton is definitely #2 here.

And yet you said yesterday that you would prefer to give up Ayton in order to keep Cam J.

No I said I’d prefer to have Turner and Cam J to just Ayton. I did say I’d rather have Mikal over Ayton

But then if Turner walks next summer, you're left with just Cam J.

Cam J could also leave next summer. I’m not factoring what could happen into my decision. Ayton could have a career ending injury and we’d have nothing.

I'm factoring what's likely. We have the ability to extend Cam J this summer if we want. Turner is a UFA next summer (and Gambo says we don't even like him), so he would probably only be here for one year.

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:30 pm

I have a feeling Melo is gonna end up on the suns

Not a player I want anywhere near the Suns. Ever.

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:55 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:30 pm

I have a feeling Melo is gonna end up on the suns

Not a player I want anywhere near the Suns. Ever.

Did you feel the same way about CP3?

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:03 am

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:55 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:30 pm

I have a feeling Melo is gonna end up on the suns

Not a player I want anywhere near the Suns. Ever.

Did you feel the same way about CP3?

Honestly, I didn’t really know anything about CP3 before he came to the Suns. When Book was being snubbed for the all-star game I thought CP3 was declining and that Book should have been in instead of CP3. I wonder now why the “point god” has been on so many teams. Something seems off with that.

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Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:06 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:03 am

SunsRIt wrote: ↑

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Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:30 pm

I have a feeling Melo is gonna end up on the suns

Not a player I want anywhere near the Suns. Ever.

Did you feel the same way about CP3?

Honestly, I didn’t really know anything about CP3 before he came to the Suns. When Book was being snubbed for the all-star game I thought CP3 was declining and that Book should have been in instead of CP3. I wonder now why the “point god” has been on so many teams. Something seems off with that.

I think it is pretty clear. Most people don't get along with him when he is pushing them. JJ said it on the podcast--"I wanted to punch you in your face!" while also saying he is a top teammate of his all-time. Sickos aren't on all teams.

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Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:55 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:30 pm

I have a feeling Melo is gonna end up on the suns

Not a player I want anywhere near the Suns. Ever.

How come?

I wouldn’t want the post prime Melo who thought he was still prime Melo, but he seems to have figured out his role.

If we ignored the name I think all of us would gladly take a guy who put up 13/4 in 24 minutes while shooting 44/38/83 on a .579 TS%. He’s pretty legitimately a good shooter and still has the ability to create his own shot. As a 20 minute off the bench guy I think he makes a lot of sense. He’s 38, so that’s why we’re talking 1 year vet min deals, but no risk there. You just let him go if it doesn’t work out. 39/41/38….those are his 3 point percentages the last 3 years.

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Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:49 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:47 am

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:43 am

Split T wrote: ↑

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JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:40 am

And yet you said yesterday that you would prefer to give up Ayton in order to keep Cam J.

No I said I’d prefer to have Turner and Cam J to just Ayton. I did say I’d rather have Mikal over Ayton

But then if Turner walks next summer, you're left with just Cam J.

Cam J could also leave next summer. I’m not factoring what could happen into my decision. Ayton could have a career ending injury and we’d have nothing.

I'm factoring what's likely. We have the ability to extend Cam J this summer if we want. Turner is a UFA next summer (and Gambo says we don't even like him), so he would probably only be here for one year.

That’s way too much guessing for me. Gambo really doesn’t know much about the suns. I would say it’s not likely the suns would even trade for Turner if they don’t like him…so my opinion is based on a scenario where they like him enough to trade for him. Also the point is it’s my opinion, not the suns.

The suns don’t like Ayton and according to you are likely to let him walk for nothing, so by your reasoning, 1 year of Turner is better, no?