If CP3 rumors are real, I doubt that the FVV signing takes place, but if they really want to do it, they could actually get both done. It would just be having to sign FVV first in FA and the draft, and then make the trade for CP3. I think you would have to make sure that you brought back Saric and Carter though.
I would probably rather sign FVV and keep Oubre and Rubio, but CP3 is a damn good player. Heck, they almost beat the Suns in the bubble when it was just him and relatively a bunch of scrubs.
I like the idea of Rubio-FVV-Booker-Bridges-Oubre-Johnson-Ayton, and letting them grow together. Solid long-term plan.
CP3 is probably the better addition in the short term. Maybe there’s a long term plan behind it and maybe it’s a good one, I don’t know. With FVV we would know.
Of course, if it’s possible to get both, do it.
“Are you crazy?! You think I’m going to go for seven years and try to get there? You enjoy the 2030 draft picks that we have holding? I want to try to see the game today.” — Ish 3/13/25
The CP3 rumors have made sense to me since I first listened to his video last week(?). A deal certainly has a non-zero possibility in my mind.
I'm just not convinced Sarver will agree to a substantial salary increase with the roster this season.
Idk, he has said that he would go over the cap, and it's possible that he goes over the cap whether he trades for him or not, or when he's traded for. It's not really going to be much more than $10 mil over the cap either way. I think they need to do something to make sure that Booker is happy and doesn't want out because he doesn't see them try to make a difference.
But in your defense, he's never had to deal with not having fans in the stands(I should clarify that, since they have had only sparse crowds the last 10 yrs).
Also, think about the possibility that Sarver is getting the team ready for sale. Didn't the Suns acquire Nash before selling the team or was that after. Colangelo did something before he sold but I don't remember what it was.
Also, think about the possibility that Sarver is getting the team ready for sale. Didn't the Suns acquire Nash before selling the team or was that after. Colangelo did something before he sold but I don't remember what it was.
I think you’re thinking of the Marbury/Hardaway/Tribasnki to NY deal.
“Are you crazy?! You think I’m going to go for seven years and try to get there? You enjoy the 2030 draft picks that we have holding? I want to try to see the game today.” — Ish 3/13/25
Also, think about the possibility that Sarver is getting the team ready for sale. Didn't the Suns acquire Nash before selling the team or was that after. Colangelo did something before he sold but I don't remember what it was.
I think you’re thinking of the Marbury/Hardaway/Tribasnki to NY deal.
I'm thinking of a Colangelo move just before selling the team to Sarver. Was that it? Didn't we have a year between Marbury and Nash? I think Sarver had already bought the team when they all went to Dallas to recruit Nash though but like just that year.
Also, think about the possibility that Sarver is getting the team ready for sale. Didn't the Suns acquire Nash before selling the team or was that after. Colangelo did something before he sold but I don't remember what it was.
I think you’re thinking of the Marbury/Hardaway/Tribasnki to NY deal.
I'm thinking of a Colangelo move just before selling the team to Sarver. Was that it? Didn't we have a year between Marbury and Nash? I think Sarver had already bought the team when they all went to Dallas to recruit Nash though but like just that year.
Yes. JC sold the team in 2004, Sarver and Co went after Nash. I attribute that mostly to BC’s and D’Antoni’s insight to go after Nash to facilitate the type of offense they wanted and got Sarver on board. I was in college back then and followed things quite closely but that’s the narrative in my mind. I remember being in disbelief of things being ok without JC.
Were you asking this in speculation that Sarver wants to cash out?
Ya, Colangelo did the Marbury/Hardaway dump either during the 03-04 season or right before. It was 2nd year Amare, I think rookie Barbosa even started a bunch of games. It cleared the cap. Perhaps to give Sarver a fresh start, but maybe they would have done it anyways to use the cap space.
Also, think about the possibility that Sarver is getting the team ready for sale. Didn't the Suns acquire Nash before selling the team or was that after. Colangelo did something before he sold but I don't remember what it was.
I think you’re thinking of the Marbury/Hardaway/Tribasnki to NY deal.
I'm thinking of a Colangelo move just before selling the team to Sarver. Was that it? Didn't we have a year between Marbury and Nash? I think Sarver had already bought the team when they all went to Dallas to recruit Nash though but like just that year.
Yes. JC sold the team in 2004, Sarver and Co went after Nash. I attribute that mostly to BC’s and D’Antoni’s insight to go after Nash to facilitate the type of offense they wanted and got Sarver on board. I was in college back then and followed things quite closely but that’s the narrative in my mind. I remember being in disbelief of things being ok without JC.
Were you asking this in speculation that Sarver wants to cash out?
Thanks. The move just doesn’t seem to fit Sarver’s MO. I’m just wondering if there’s an ulterior motive.
I wouldn't hate CP3 for Rubio + Oubre if we made other moves as well. It's not my money! But I don't trust the Suns to get good 2 good players after making that trade. We are a team that lacked depth and a 2nd star. CP3 addresses the second issue, but makes it more difficult to address the first.
The league needs heroes, villains... and clowns. -- Aztec Sunsfan
I wouldn't hate CP3 for Rubio + Oubre if we made other moves as well. It's not my money! But I don't trust the Suns to get good 2 good players after making that trade. We are a team that lacked depth and a 2nd star. CP3 addresses the second issue, but makes it more difficult to address the first.
I agree
"There are 3 rules I live by: never get less than 12 hours sleep, never play cards with a guy with the same first name as a city & never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Everything else is cream cheese."
I’ve been wondering if you could snag Jerami Grant away from Denver with a 4 year full MLE offer. Probably not as Denver would probably be willing to pay that, but he’d be an ideal Oubre replacement if we moved him for CP3.
I’d feel pretty good about
CP3/Booker/Bridges/Grant/Ayton with Payne, Carter, Johnson, Saric off the bench. Plus whoever we take at 10.
Grant would be a good replacement, but I'm not sure how realistic it is. I really doubt that Denver gives him up, since they gave away a 1st round pick for him.
"There are 3 rules I live by: never get less than 12 hours sleep, never play cards with a guy with the same first name as a city & never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Everything else is cream cheese."
Grant would be a good replacement, but I'm not sure how realistic it is. I really doubt that Denver gives him up, since they gave away a 1st round pick for him.
I’d agree, but Grant is unrestricted, so it’s not fully up to Denver. Though I have no reason to believe he’d want to leave. Unless maybe he thinks MPJ is gonna take his minutes.
Grant would be a good replacement, but I'm not sure how realistic it is. I really doubt that Denver gives him up, since they gave away a 1st round pick for him.
I’d agree, but Grant is unrestricted, so it’s not fully up to Denver. Though I have no reason to believe he’d want to leave. Unless maybe he thinks MPJ is gonna take his minutes.
You're right, he could leave, but given that Denver has his Bird Rights, they can go over the cap and offer him the most money & yrs. Maybe he doesn't want to be in Denver, it's up to him and how much Denver is willing to pay.
"There are 3 rules I live by: never get less than 12 hours sleep, never play cards with a guy with the same first name as a city & never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Everything else is cream cheese."
"That's why you've got to lean on people you trust. For me, it's my agent, and I know that's the business side of basketball. I've been through it too many times to tie anything emotional to it, as much as you want to. You do have these connections throughout basketball and throughout the teams you've played for and where you've gone and also the outlook for your family. Everything weighs in to it.
"At the end of the day, it's a business decision, and we aren't even sure how that business is panning out right now, so hopefully it's for the best. It's what I'll be leaning on the agent for. Whatever we do, we'll try to make the best decision for myself, for my family and everyone who's helped me get to this point."
On Deandre:
Deandre's a special player, and he has so much talent. It's just about getting him to lock in and focus on every possession, and when he does that, he goes out there and really dominates."
What does everyone prefer. These are the outlines I see right now for our offseason. Of course I’m sure JJ will go a completely different direction. Feel free to add different outlines. Assume Booker/Ayton/Bridges/Johnson are here in all scenarios.
1. We retain Rubio/Oubre, renounce all free agents/options and use #10 to clear cap space to sign FVV in free agency. Fill out the rest of roster with exceptions and minimum contracts. (By clear cap space, I trade down from 10 and have the other team take Ty Jerome)
2. We move Rubio/Oubre for CP3. We retain Payne/Carter/Saric and whoever else you want, plus full MLE and #10 pick. (There may be a way to do this trade after we use our cap space. We’d renounce everyone and include Jerome and Lecque with Rubio and Oubre for salary matching purposes. So you could spend your 15-18 million first.)
3. We retain Oubre/Rubio, renounce Saric/Baynes/Kaminsky, but keep Payne/Carter and spend cap space on your choice at the 4(Wood, Grant, Bertans, Gallo, etc) We also keep #10 here.
4. We retain Rubio/Oubre. We operate over the cap and bring everyone back from the bubble team and just add a MLE player and #10 pick.
5. We trade Oubre/10 to Brooklyn for Dinwiddie/19. With this move you can choose to retain any free agents you want and have the MLE or renounce them and use the 20-24 million in cap space.
What does everyone prefer. These are the outlines I see right now for our offseason. Of course I’m sure JJ will go a completely different direction. Feel free to add different outlines. Assume Booker/Ayton/Bridges/Johnson are here in all scenarios.
1. We retain Rubio/Oubre, renounce all free agents/options and use #10 to clear cap space to sign FVV in free agency. Fill out the rest of roster with exceptions and minimum contracts. (By clear cap space, I trade down from 10 and have the other team take Ty Jerome)
2. We move Rubio/Oubre for CP3. We retain Payne/Carter/Saric and whoever else you want, plus full MLE and #10 pick. (There may be a way to do this trade after we use our cap space. We’d renounce everyone and include Jerome and Lecque with Rubio and Oubre for salary matching purposes. So you could spend your 15-18 million first.)
3. We retain Oubre/Rubio, renounce Saric/Baynes/Kaminsky, but keep Payne/Carter and spend cap space on your choice at the 4(Wood, Grant, Bertans, Gallo, etc) We also keep #10 here.
4. We retain Rubio/Oubre. We operate over the cap and bring everyone back from the bubble team and just add a MLE player and #10 pick.
5. We trade Oubre/10 to Brooklyn for Dinwiddie/19. With this move you can choose to retain any free agents you want and have the MLE or renounce them and use the 20-24 million in cap space.
