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Someone's going to have to sell me on Trey Lyles. I think that's going to be our pick. Can anyone do it?

carey wrote:Someone's going to have to sell me on Trey Lyles. I think that's going to be our pick. Can anyone do it?

He's better than Harrell.

I don't love Lyles.

I think he profiles a little like Portis to me, I'm not sure what he does that's exceptional. I think he's a good athlete, a decent shooter, good size, I'm not sure who he guards in the NBA, probably 4s.

I do think he has some offensive versatility, maybe you project him out like Kief a little bit, a guy who can play some on the post and on the perimeter.

I would rather have quite a few players because I'm just not sure what his upside is and I'm not sure he has a really high floor.

I'd rather have Portis/Looney/Dekker/Booker than Lyles. JMO.

I know Booker isn't a home-run and a bit of a one-trick pony..... but that one trick? Shooting. We could use a consistent perimeter threat.

Preacherpj wrote:

carey wrote:Someone's going to have to sell me on Trey Lyles. I think that's going to be our pick. Can anyone do it?

He's better than Harrell.

Don't hold back or anything! Give me the hard sell!

carey wrote:

Preacherpj wrote:

carey wrote:Someone's going to have to sell me on Trey Lyles. I think that's going to be our pick. Can anyone do it?

He's better than Harrell.

Don't hold back or anything! Give me the hard sell!

Lol, hard to sell what you don't really believe in.

Ask me to sell Kaminsky, Turner, Booker, RHJ, Dekker, or WCS.

Givony no longer has us taking Lyles and has WCS falling to us. One can only hope I'm cueing up Lonely Island tomorrow, like a boss.

WCS would be fantastic at 13. Great d, good rebounding, genuinely big but nimble. Yes please.

Preacherpj wrote:I don't love Lyles.

I think he profiles a little like Portis to me, I'm not sure what he does that's exceptional. I think he's a good athlete, a decent shooter, good size, I'm not sure who he guards in the NBA, probably 4s.

I do think he has some offensive versatility, maybe you project him out like Kief a little bit, a guy who can play some on the post and on the perimeter.

I would rather have quite a few players because I'm just not sure what his upside is and I'm not sure he has a really high floor.

I'd rather have Portis/Looney/Dekker/Booker than Lyles. JMO.

I know Booker isn't a home-run and a bit of a one-trick pony..... but that one trick? Shooting. We could use a consistent perimeter threat.

The negative is that they are not sure he can play off the ball.

Somebody should create a poll of "Who should the Suns pick?" I'd do it but honestly I don't even know more than 2-3 players in this draft, as usual, so I wouldn't even know what names to list.

Preacherpj wrote:Ask me to sell Kaminsky, Turner, Booker, RHJ, Dekker, or WCS.

I see the benefits on all those guys except Dekker. I don't think he's remotely the shooter he's going to need to be to be successful (only 33% from 3 & 70% FT). He's not a Draymond Green. He can't get down there on the block or guard guys on the block. He's just a really big wing. More of an athlete than you'd think, sort of sneaky athleticism if that makes sense.

I just watched some WCS workout videos on draft express and his shooting action is relatively fluid. I think he could turn out to be an ok offensive player (not brilliant but not a liability) to go along with his A grade D. I'm right on board,albeit I think he'll be taken before our pick.

Preacherpj wrote:

In2ition wrote:I'm cooling on Kaminsky too. I heard one scout say that the entire Wisconsin offense was designed to run through him and react to the decisions that he made. I just don't see NBA offenses running through Kaminsky.

See I think that's a big reason why I like Kaminsky so much; Wisconsin was historically good offensively, one of the most efficient offenses ever. And a big part of that was they had this big guy who could play anywhere on the court.

They ran a lot of offense through him because in a P/R he could pop and hit deep jumpers, he could post up and get the opposing big in foul trouble, he could set-up at the high-post and cause all sorts of havoc.

I don't see why running an offense through someone is construed as a negative. Obviously NBA teams won't do that, but all the skills that allowed Kaminsky to score so well -- shooting, dribbling, posting, passing, FTs, and IQ -- are all still there.

He's so much more skilled than guys like Turner, Lyles, Portis, Looney, Harrell -- its not even comparable. And unlike some of those guys, Kaminsky had some of his best games against big time opponents. At #13? I love Kaminsky. If we do end up trading up, there's guys with more upside that have to be taken.

Agreed. It's not like he doesn't have the skills to be a complementary player. And being able to be a key guy in the offense is a plus, especially if he plays a lot with second units.

I for one would be ecstatic if we got Kaminsky. I think he has a high ceiling and is going to be a unique and skilled NBA player. But I think there is almost no chance he will be around at 13.

Any chance we get an Inf sighting tomorrow? We should have a poll on that as well.

Wally_West wrote:Any chance we get an Inf sighting tomorrow? We should have a poll on that as well.

lol

Coro says we're not shopping Bledsoe, that we'll stay at 13. Says we like Kaminsky and Turner (sure we do, but you can discount that). Anyone who pays attention knows that Coro doesn't divulge inside information, but I'm also under the impression that he doesn't affirmatively lie when it comes to trade speculation. I think we're likely to sit where the **** we are in the draft. I guess you can tell what my attitude about that is.

There may be a good chance we deal PJ tonight, but probably to little end other than clearing cap space. We need an actual PF on the roster, and if we're going to add Carroll/Green, we need to move PJ. No idea what to do about the abomination that is Marcus Morris. If Bled's not on the table, options are limited.

Assets, as of 6/25, ranked by value (asterisk by those I would like to keep), in addition to Suns' future picks:

Eric Bledsoe on good 4-year contract
Alex Len on rookie contract*
Brandon Knight UFA rights*
TJ Warren on rookie contract*
[Projected value of #13 pick]
Miami Heat 2017 Top-7 protected*
Miami Heat 2021 Unprotected*
Markieff Morris on great 4-year contract, value heavily diminished by felony charges
PJ Tucker, on good 2 year contract (second year not guaranteed)
Archie Goodwin on rookie contract
Cavs 2018 pick
[Projected value of #44 pick]
Alec Brown
Marcus Morris on 4-year contract, value negative because of felony charges

... Could be worse, I guess. Seems like we've decided to just settle into this draft slot, nice and cozy-like.

My issue with spending on guys like Carroll and Green is that they're not going to make us markedly better. They're Jared Dudleys. They can be glue pieces and help good teams get better, but won't help make a bad team good. Same with PJ Tucker. I'd rather just move Tucker and get a conditional pick back just to free roster space and minutes so we can see what TJ Warren can give us.

And we need to move the Morri. I'd move them, draft Portis to play next to Len then sign a guy like Koufos as an extra big.

OE32 wrote:Coro says we're not shopping Bledsoe, that we'll stay at 13. Says we like Kaminsky and Turner (sure we do, but you can discount that). Anyone who pays attention knows that Coro doesn't divulge inside information, but I'm also under the impression that he doesn't affirmatively lie when it comes to trade speculation. I think we're likely to sit where the **** we are in the draft. I guess you can tell what my attitude about that is.

There may be a good chance we deal PJ tonight, but probably to little end other than clearing cap space. We need an actual PF on the roster, and if we're going to add Carroll/Green, we need to move PJ. No idea what to do about the abomination that is Marcus Morris. If Bled's not on the table, options are limited.

Assets, as of 6/25, ranked by value (asterisk by those I would like to keep), in addition to Suns' future picks:

Eric Bledsoe on good 4-year contract
Alex Len on rookie contract*
Brandon Knight UFA rights*
TJ Warren on rookie contract*
[Projected value of #13 pick]
Miami Heat 2017 Top-7 protected*
Miami Heat 2021 Unprotected*
Markieff Morris on great 4-year contract, value heavily diminished by felony charges
PJ Tucker, on good 2 year contract (second year not guaranteed)
Archie Goodwin on rookie contract
Cavs 2018 pick
[Projected value of #44 pick]
Alec Brown
Marcus Morris on 4-year contract, value negative because of felony charges

... Could be worse, I guess. Seems like we've decided to just settle into this draft slot, nice and cozy-like.

A couple of points.

I think TJ Warren could be our starting SF. I think it would be a shame to fill the SF position with Green or Carroll and tie up all our cap in them before we know what we truly have in TJ Buckets. I think we didn't clear enough space to offer Love his $19M when we moved IT & Dragic. So a couple players are going to have to hit the road before we can really even entertain the idea.

We have Knight's RFA rights.

Isn't the Cavs pick a 2016 pick? I only correct you because it would seem a pick next year might be more valuable when making trades tonight than one 3 years down the line. Though that may not be entirely true since the Cavs will likely be pretty good next year unless LeBron gets injured.

2016 first round draft pick to Phoenix
Cleveland's 1st round pick to Phoenix (via Boston) protected for selections 1-10 in 2016, 1-10 in 2017 and 1-10 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019 [Boston-Brooklyn-Cleveland, 7/10/2014; Boston-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]

I think not aggressively chasing Porzingis or Hezonja is a mistake. I don't want to sign up for this Knight & Bledsoe back court the front office is selling. I want a 2 guard with size that can defend the Klays, Smiths, Beals and Butlers of the world. I want a PF that can shoot the ball with range & pass like a guard. Most importantly I don't want to watch a rerun of the last 20 games of '14-'15.

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/614055911037005824 Y'all know I've been stumping for Jones for a while. He's my guy. Not sure what Houston is asking but I'd love him in purple & orange. Wish there was a way to give them the Morris twins.

My mistake on the Cavs pick.

I also think it's a mistake not to start TJ buckets. I feel that you have to make excuses not to start him at this point. I think he's a smart player, and he's a good passer. And look at his FG%. Did Hornacek refuse to play him simply to force him to improve his game, where early success might otherwise keep him too self-satisfied? I struggle to find reason in it.

I think if we start Warren, we don't need a playmaker/scorer at the 4 - we need defense and rebounding. At the 2, I think we'd do much better with a 3 & D guy than a penetrate & D guy, if you know what I mean.

The piece that fits least well with all of this is the Morris twins.

carey wrote:https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/614055911037005824 Y'all know I've been stumping for Jones for a while. He's my guy. Not sure what Houston is asking but I'd love him in purple & orange. Wish there was a way to give them the Morris twins.

Not interested. Don't think we can suffer another asshole on the squad, and I don't think he has the defense and rebounding I described above. Kind of a mix of Markieff and Marcus, really = Markieff + 3 point shooting. He'd be an okay target if it weren't for the character deficiency (both his and ours).