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Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:53 pm
by Superbone
Cap wrote:This doesn't seem to be a great year to have #4, but trading away picks always leads to regret for this franchise.
Yeah, I don't want to talk about how "We could have had Chriss!" down the line like I talk about "We could have had Igoudala!"
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:55 pm
by Sunsfan4life
Cap wrote:This doesn't seem to be a great year to have #4, but trading away picks always leads to regret for this franchise.
Well you don't trade it just to trade it, you have to get value. It's easy to go "oh I would of traded it" without having any concrete info of what exactly was being offered.
There is a rumor circulating that the Lakers are trying to aquire another top 5 pick and may be dangling D'Angelo Russel. His rookie campaign was uneven but I loved Russel coming out of College. Think he is better then any one we could nab at 4. He has that whole "Snitching" stigma and he has maturity issues, but I love the talent.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:01 pm
by Sunsfan4life
Superbone wrote:Cap wrote:This doesn't seem to be a great year to have #4, but trading away picks always leads to regret for this franchise.
Yeah, I don't want to talk about how "We could have had Chriss!" down the line like I talk about "We could have had Igoudala!"
What is going on in Washington? Murray and Chriss have risen higher then any other prospects this year and they both were freshman on a Washington squad who wasn't that good.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:21 am
by OE32
I've come to the conclusion that neither Bender nor Chriss are the correct play, at 4 or otherwise. The only correct play is Sabonis. I hope everything is a screen, and we're attempting to get a good deal moving down for Sabonis. If we can't move down with, say, Denver, then don't risk it; just take him at 4.
I think Chriss is fool's gold, plain and simple. Rebounding, motor, defense, basketball IQ all questionable. Someone said draft the basketball player, not the athlete - yeah. Precisely.
With Bender, one huge worry is injury concerns. I don't like the way he moves. I'm not sure he'll really have a position, because I'm not sure he'll ever be able to play inside. Simply, the awkwardness, and the consequent potential for frailty, scare me.
Denver is really the perfect trading partner - we could swap 4 and 28 for 7 and 19, or 4 for 7 and the Memphis pick owed to them, or 4 for 7, with Denver adding a player like Harris or Barton or Gallinari - the last of whom I assume would require our chipping in another player in return.
Sabonis. Final vote.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:36 am
by Mori Chu
Sabonis. Final vote.
I love Sabonis and would be happy to take him at #4. *
* Knows nothing
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:08 pm
by JCSunsfan
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Sabonis. Final vote.
I love Sabonis and would be happy to take him at #4. *
* Knows nothing
I wouldn't say so. If we took Sabonis at 4, I would be ok with it. I think we should be able to get him with a later pick, but with the level of players being fairly equal between 2 and 15, just take the one you like. He is a very good two way basketball player who WILL start in the NBA.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:25 pm
by Danimal
Superbone wrote:Cap wrote:This doesn't seem to be a great year to have #4, but trading away picks always leads to regret for this franchise.
Yeah, I don't want to talk about how "We could have had Chriss!" down the line like I talk about "We could have had Igoudala!"
We didn't trade away draft picks in the past, we flat out dumped them
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:26 pm
by Gladiator
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mar ... iss-83240/
If you want a reason to be scared off of taking Chriss, watch the draftexpress weakness video compile on him. Some of his defensive rebounding "efforts" make Amare at his worst look like Rodman on the glass. The poor rebounding for a PF is a bit too much of a red flag for me, especially at #4.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:36 pm
by Danimal
Gladiator wrote:http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mar ... iss-83240/
If you want a reason to be scared off of taking Chriss, watch the draftexpress weakness video compile on him. Some of his defensive rebounding "efforts" make Amare at his worst look like Rodman on the glass. The poor rebounding for a PF is a bit too much of a red flag for me, especially at #4.
I think you also have to point your finger at the coaching staff. How are they not pulling him from games and busting his ass about that kind of thing.
My hope would be in the NBA he wouldn't have anywhere to hide and its been the focus of so much of the pre-draft reports about him that he would have to make it a focus moving forward.
7ft Thon Maker had a lot of similar embarrassing moments in his weakness video, but then again he isn't being listed as a top 4 pick.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:50 pm
by Gladiator
Danimal wrote:Gladiator wrote:http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mar ... iss-83240/
If you want a reason to be scared off of taking Chriss, watch the draftexpress weakness video compile on him. Some of his defensive rebounding "efforts" make Amare at his worst look like Rodman on the glass. The poor rebounding for a PF is a bit too much of a red flag for me, especially at #4.
I think you also have to point your finger at the coaching staff. How are they not pulling him from games and busting his ass about that kind of thing.
My hope would be in the NBA he wouldn't have anywhere to hide and its been the focus of so much of the pre-draft reports about him that he would have to make it a focus moving forward.
7ft Thon Maker had a lot of similar embarrassing moments in his weakness video, but then again he isn't being listed as a top 4 pick.
I'm definitely not saying he's undraftable or anything like that. Just that I'd be uncomfortable taking him that high (so am bracing for that to happen)
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:13 pm
by SDC
this suns team want sabonis because... people have soured on len?
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:25 pm
by Gladiator
I enjoyed this background video on potential future Sun Dragan Bender.
http://www.si.com/nba/video/2016/06/15/ ... r-si-films
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:29 pm
by Cap
Chad Ford's survey of NBA GMs and scouts:
Chad Ford/ESPN Draft Tier Rankings
Ford: "Teams group players based on overall talent and potential. Then, the teams rank the players in each tier based on need. After talking to several GMs and scouts whose teams employ this system, here is how the tiers look this year."
Tier 1: Potential Franchise Players
Ben Simmons, F, LSU
Tier 2: Potential All-Stars
Brandon Ingram, F, Duke
Marquese Chriss, Kris Dunn and Dragan Bender received votes for Tier 2, but not enough to make the cut.
Tier 3: NBA Starters
Dragan Bender, PF, Croatia
Jaylen Brown, F, Cal
Marquese Chriss, PF, Washington
Kris Dunn, PG, Providence
Jamal Murray, G, Kentucky
Tier 4: High-Level Rotation Players
Henry Ellenson, F/C, Marquette
Buddy Hield, SG, Oklahoma
Furkan Korkmaz, SG, Turkey
Skal Labissiere, F/C, Kentucky
Dejounte Murray, PG, Washington
Jakob Poeltl, C, Utah
Domantas Sabonis, PF, Gonzaga
Tier 5: Solid Role Players
Wade Baldwin IV, G, Vanderbilt
Malik Beasley, SG, Florida State
DeAndre Bembry, G/F, St. Joseph's
Ben Bentil, F, Providence
Malcolm Brogdon, G/F, Virginia
Deyonta Davis, PF, Michigan State
Cheick Diallo, PF, Kansas
Juan Hernangomez, PF, Spain
Demetrius Jackson, PG, Notre Dame
Brice Johnson, PF, North Carolina
Damian Jones, C, Vanderbilt
Timothe Luwawu, G/F, France
Thon Maker, F, Australia
Patrick McCaw, G/F, UNLV
Taurean Prince, F, Baylor
Malachi Richardson, SG, Syracuse
Diamond Stone, C, Maryland
Tyler Ulis, PG, Kentucky
Denzel Valentine, G/F, Michigan State
Ante Zizic, C, Croatia
Ivica Zubac, C, Bosnia
Tier 6: Fringe Players
Isaiah Cousins, G, Oklahoma
Caris LeVert, G/F, Michigan
Chinanu Onuaku, C, Louisville
Gary Payton II, PG, Oregon State
Zhou Qi, C, China
Jarrod Uthoff, F, Iowa
Guerschon Yabusele, PF, France
Stephen Zimmerman, C, UNLV
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:18 am
by Superbone
Don't make me pull a carey on you!
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:32 am
by Shabazz
Look at the passes he makes at the 1:13 mark of that video. Special for a big man.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:34 am
by Gladiator
Superbone wrote:
Don't make me pull a carey on you!
D'oh! Sorry about that
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:26 am
by gosuns
The Players in red i like in this Draft: (others i don't like or don't know enough about)
Tier 1: Potential Franchise Players
Ben Simmons, F, LSU
Tier 2: Potential All-Stars
Brandon Ingram, F, Duke
Marquese Chriss, Kris Dunn and Dragan Bender received votes for Tier 2, but not enough to make the cut.
Tier 3: NBA Starters
Dragan Bender, PF, Croatia
Jaylen Brown, F, Cal
Marquese Chriss, PF, Washington
Kris Dunn, PG, Providence
Jamal Murray, G, Kentucky
Tier 4: High-Level Rotation Players
Henry Ellenson, F/C, Marquette
Buddy Hield, SG, Oklahoma
Furkan Korkmaz, SG, Turkey
Skal Labissiere, F/C, Kentucky
Dejounte Murray, PG, Washington
Jakob Poeltl, C, Utah
Domantas Sabonis, PF, Gonzaga
Tier 5: Solid Role Players
Wade Baldwin IV, G, Vanderbilt
Malik Beasley, SG, Florida State
DeAndre Bembry, G/F, St. Joseph's
Ben Bentil, F, Providence
Malcolm Brogdon, G/F, Virginia
Deyonta Davis, PF, Michigan State
Cheick Diallo, PF, Kansas
Juan Hernangomez, PF, Spain
Demetrius Jackson, PG, Notre Dame
Brice Johnson, PF, North Carolina
Damian Jones, C, Vanderbilt
Timothe Luwawu, G/F, France
Thon Maker, F, Australia
Patrick McCaw, G/F, UNLV
Taurean Prince, F, Baylor
Malachi Richardson, SG, Syracuse
Diamond Stone, C, Maryland
Tyler Ulis, PG, Kentucky
Denzel Valentine, G/F, Michigan State
Ante Zizic, C, Croatia
Ivica Zubac, C, Bosnia
Tier 6: Fringe Players
Isaiah Cousins, G, Oklahoma
Caris LeVert, G/F, Michigan
Chinanu Onuaku, C, Louisville
Gary Payton II, PG, Oregon State
Zhou Qi, C, China
Jarrod Uthoff, F, Iowa
Guerschon Yabusele, PF, France
Stephen Zimmerman, C, UNLV
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:45 am
by Ring_Wanted
Nobody sees big potential in Wade Baldwin? Smells a lot like Reke.
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:59 am
by Mori Chu
The #1 takeaway from that video .... BENDER HAS A BROTHER! Draft 'em both, people!
Re: NBA Draft Prospects Discussion
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:52 am
by O_Gardino
SDC wrote:this suns team want sabonis because... people have soured on len?
They play different positions. Len could move back to 5 and Sabonis at 4.