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Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:32 am
by The Bobster
I'm sure a lot of those calls for Ayton aren't offering the Suns much other than future salary cap relief.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:36 am
by TOO
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:54 am
TOO wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:52 am
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:20 am
Although the way Ishbia rolls, I would expect the Suns to get Zion Williamson.
Imagine.
Him sitting on the bench in street clothes? Yes, very easy to imagine.
Oh I'm not advocating it, but maaaaan the clown show that would come with that would be something to behold.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:36 am
by Split T
We’ll see. I think we’ll be able to get quality role players.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:46 am
by Superbone
How did that clown interviewing Shams get his own show?
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:50 am
by Split T
He’s a former nfl punter…he’s got a pretty big following
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:53 am
by specialsauce
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:05 am
I mean I’d take Zion over Ayton, but I’d rather have option c(depth)
You’d rather have thicc thighs sitting on the bench the whole year?
I want DA done and I can’t get behind that. I’d rather have DA
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:01 am
by Split T
Yes because I don’t think we are going anywhere with Ayton. Zion the only question is health…of course it’s a huge question, but he’d be significantly better on the court.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:01 am
by TOO
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:46 am
How did that clown interviewing Shams get his own show?
ESPN gave him a boatload to join that network here in the future.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:10 am
by Superbone
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:50 am
He’s a former nfl punter…he’s got a pretty big following
Not only a football player but a punter. Now it makes sense. Both his behavior and absolute ignorance about basketball.
TOO wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:01 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:46 am
How did that clown interviewing Shams get his own show?
ESPN gave him a boatload to join that network here in the future.
Bad idea.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:18 am
by TOO
Yeah I don't quite get it, but ESPN loves to employ loud mouths that act like they know more than they do. SAS, Rose, Perk, Mad Dog, now Pat just off the top of my head.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:21 am
by JeremyG
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:01 am
Yes because I don’t think we are going anywhere with Ayton.
Now Ayton isn’t even good enough as a 4th option for you?
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:26 am
by Split T
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:21 am
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:01 am
Yes because I don’t think we are going anywhere with Ayton.
Now Ayton isn’t even good enough as a 4th option for you?
It’s more about his willingness to play that role. I’d take 2021 playoffs Ayton over risking Zion’s health. Play defense, rebound, and be happy with 10 shots a game.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 1:19 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:01 am
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:52 am
Wally_West wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 1:31 am
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 12:42 am
I don't really see how Ayton is long for the Suns now that he'll be even less of an offensive threat. I hope they have a strategy to bring in someone more focused on defense and rebounding at his position in addition to a salary that enables a deeper rotation.
The way Bobby marks made it sound, if we don’t trade him this year, it’s going be very tricky to trade him in the future. So much so, that we would probably be locked in with Book, KD, Beal and Ayton for the next 4 years. I very much want to get off his salary. I said Ayton for Gordon Hayward and couple of their seconds would be good enough for me. Maybe there are better deals out there but that deal lets us get off 32 million next year. Worth it for me.
Bobby Marks gets a lot of stuff wrong or at least oversells the infeasibility of certain transactions. He was terrible last summer during the KD stuff.
While I think it's increasingly likely Ayton is traded, I'm not so sure it'll happen quickly.
Ishbia wants to win above all else, and trading Ayton just to do it or for cap reasons won't be an option to him. I think they have a set price in their mind and will make the deal if someone meets it.
If he's still on the team to start the season, it'll be interesting to see his body language without Monty and Paul around.
Exactly. This is what I’ve been saying for a month now.
And the rumors about trading him into cap space to open up exceptions have a zero percent chance of happening. If Ishbia was determined to hold on to Paul’s salary slot, he’s not going to throw away Ayton’s salary slot.
I don't recall those being rumors. Just people trying to figure out different pathways to acquire more players.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 1:22 pm
by JeremyG
Gambo and some national reporter both mentioned it as a realistic possibility.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 1:27 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
LOL exactly.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:01 pm
by Split T
Gambo has been quite accurate since Sarver left…
I also do not think we would, but I wouldn’t rule it out.
Trade Ayton to the Rockets for KMJ, Jae’Sean Tate, and a future 1st(or maybe #20 in this draft. Would either open up some of the MLE or TPMLE and also create a pretty big trade exception.
I think the only way we’d do it is if we knew we could get someone like Brook Lopez or Naz Reid for the MLE and liked the future assets and potential of KMJ/Tate as role guys. Or if we already had a trade essentially lined up to use the trade exception on.
But I keep coming back to Charlotte as the team that makes the most sense.
Ayton for Rozier/Martin/Williams or Jones and #33
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:13 pm
by SunsSince92
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:01 pm
Gambo has been quite accurate since Sarver left…
I also do not think we would, but I wouldn’t rule it out.
Trade Ayton to the Rockets for KMJ, Jae’Sean Tate, and a future 1st(or maybe #20 in this draft. Would either open up some of the MLE or TPMLE and also create a pretty big trade exception.
I think the only way we’d do it is if we knew we could get someone like Brook Lopez or Naz Reid for the MLE and liked the future assets and potential of KMJ/Tate as role guys. Or if we already had a trade essentially lined up to use the trade exception on.
But I keep coming back to Charlotte as the team that makes the most sense.
Ayton for Rozier/Martin/Williams or Jones and #33
The firepower we'd have if we added Rozier to the big 3 would be immense! I really like Mark Williams too.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:15 pm
by ShelC
Knicks get Zion, DA, Trey Murphy, Naji Marshall
Pels get Randle, Mitch Robinson
Suns get Valancuinas, Evan Fournier, Garrett Temple
Knicks get Zion, DA,
Pels get Randle, Mitch Robinson
Suns get Valancuinas, Larry Nance, Obi Toppin
?
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:26 pm
by Split T
I do think at this point the dream scenario would be if Boston wanted Ayton and was willing to do 1 from each pot. Pot 1(White, Smart, Brogdon). Pot 2(Horford, Williams).
Or if somehow someway Orlando(for some reason I’ve heard they are interested) wants to send us WCJ and Fultz for him.
Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:41 am
by Mori Chu
Would you take Zion for Ayton if the Pels also threw in Herb Jones? I really don't want Zion but I'd at least consider that. The dream would be that Jonas V + Herb trade; that'd be an absolute heist if we could get those guys for Ayton.