NBA News: Offseason

[Indy]

I simply think people are evaluating McD on his stated reasons for doing things rather than the overall pattern of his moves.

I don't know about people, but personally I ultimately evaluate Ryan on what he does, but I certainly will react to what he says as well. Ultimately, regardless of patterns, stated reasons, whatever, I don't think the his 2016 draft was good, I don't think it is good that Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight are still Phoenix Suns. But I guess I'm just living in the past, so just ignore me.

Same here. I don't get why anyone that doesn't think most moves we make are 'phenomenal' are treated like they are causing the poor showings we have had for 6 years.

[OE32]

I simply think people are evaluating McD on his stated reasons for doing things rather than the overall pattern of his moves.

I don't know about people, but personally I ultimately evaluate Ryan on what he does, but I certainly will react to what he says as well. Ultimately, regardless of patterns, stated reasons, whatever, I don't think the his 2016 draft was good, I don't think it is good that Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight are still Phoenix Suns. But I guess I'm just living in the past, so just ignore me.

That's a fine position to have. We'll see how these picks turn out. We disagree about Bledsoe and Knight. I don't see what any of what you said has to do with the past.

[OE32]

I simply think people are evaluating McD on his stated reasons for doing things rather than the overall pattern of his moves.

I don't know about people, but personally I ultimately evaluate Ryan on what he does, but I certainly will react to what he says as well. Ultimately, regardless of patterns, stated reasons, whatever, I don't think the his 2016 draft was good, I don't think it is good that Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight are still Phoenix Suns. But I guess I'm just living in the past, so just ignore me.

Same here. I don't get why anyone that doesn't think most moves we make are 'phenomenal' are treated like they are causing the poor showings we have had for 6 years.

I believe my response to you re: Bryan Colangelo was valid on the merits, and did not amount to any sort of "treatment" of you as a poster.

I simply didn't care about winning the last six years is all. During the malaise years, we constantly griped that we didn't have a path to a championship. I think we've been making huge strides toward building a contender these last three years. I guess I get more out of looking ahead than I do from the present, generally. For those who don't tick like that, I suppose the last three years have been as bad as the previous three. What can ya do.

[Indy]

I don't think it is good that Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight are still Phoenix Suns.

I will say that I think Eric Bledsoe has a lot of talent. I love his work ethic. And his attitude towards the team seems to be great. His work in the community is great. I think he could be a beast if used just the right way. But the problem is has shown no ability to lead a team from the PG position. And although there are certainly instances of players getting much better after playing 6 seasons in the league, they are extremely rare. I think the first half of my post is why the FO really likes him, and I totally get it. We need guys like that on the team. But we also need those guys to be good for the team on the court. And that is where Eric hasn't shown himself to be the PG we need, in addition to the fact he has only played in 60% of the games for us due to injury (and the types of injuries that are likely to continue to bother him).

[Indy]

I simply think people are evaluating McD on his stated reasons for doing things rather than the overall pattern of his moves.

I don't know about people, but personally I ultimately evaluate Ryan on what he does, but I certainly will react to what he says as well. Ultimately, regardless of patterns, stated reasons, whatever, I don't think the his 2016 draft was good, I don't think it is good that Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight are still Phoenix Suns. But I guess I'm just living in the past, so just ignore me.

Same here. I don't get why anyone that doesn't think most moves we make are 'phenomenal' are treated like they are causing the poor showings we have had for 6 years.

I believe my response to you re: Bryan Colangelo was valid on the merits, and did not amount to any sort of "treatment" of you as a poster.

I simply didn't care about winning the last six years is all. During the malaise years, we constantly griped that we didn't have a path to a championship. I think we've been making huge strides toward building a contender these last three years. I guess I get more out of looking ahead than I do from the present, generally. For those who don't tick like that, I suppose the last three years have been as bad as the previous three. What can ya do.

Posting from my phone and didn't get a chance to read through your response that yet. So I guess I will reserve judgement of this until then. I am still blown away that you view our last 3 years as phenomenal on the part of Ryan. I feel that is disingenuous as INF giving this year's draft an F.

[Cap]

I think we've been making huge strides toward building a contender these last three years.

Other than drafting Booker, what clear strides have we made toward building a contender?

[Superbone]

So much going on, and we still waste so much time bitching about the past to deny any posibility of future success. Is like Wormwood's ghost had taken posesion of the posting board, denying any joy or optimism. This depressing attitude is so '90's guys!!!

I came here to know your take on this crazy offseason and such, but damn, we really like to beat that dead horse. We only like media reports when they are dismissing us, but if they give us some sort of compliment... I do like to be hopeful during the offseason, because is the time of the year when everything can happen, and everything COULD go our way next season.

Chill out people, let's be positive, that we have a full year ahead to probe us wrong.

We don't need to be positive for positive's sake but how about just a balanced take every once in a while? We've got a bunch of chicken littles running around here.

It has been the same thing every offseason for years now. Posters express their displeasure on the decisions being made, other posters start whining about all the negativity, someone rolls out the tired, lazy, and dismissive "chicken little" barbs, and so on.

And funny thing is, nothing has changed. Since 2010, the Suns claim to glory is a 48-win, 9th place finish. And yet people still get blasted for being negative.

Welcome to Suns fan purgatory. It's probably time for my annual hiatus.

It's called balance, INF. It's not all gloom and doom.

[Superbone]

Welcome to Suns fan purgatory. It's probably time for my annual hiatus.

Don't be so thin skinned.

[Superbone]

I don't think it is good that Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight are still Phoenix Suns.

I will say that I think Eric Bledsoe has a lot of talent. I love his work ethic. And his attitude towards the team seems to be great. His work in the community is great. I think he could be a beast if used just the right way. But the problem is has shown no ability to lead a team from the PG position. And although there are certainly instances of players getting much better after playing 6 seasons in the league, they are extremely rare. I think the first half of my post is why the FO really likes him, and I totally get it. We need guys like that on the team. But we also need those guys to be good for the team on the court. And that is where Eric hasn't shown himself to be the PG we need, in addition to the fact he has only played in 60% of the games for us due to injury (and the types of injuries that are likely to continue to bother him).

I'm with you on all of that.

[Indy]

So much going on, and we still waste so much time bitching about the past to deny any posibility of future success. Is like Wormwood's ghost had taken posesion of the posting board, denying any joy or optimism. This depressing attitude is so '90's guys!!!

I came here to know your take on this crazy offseason and such, but damn, we really like to beat that dead horse. We only like media reports when they are dismissing us, but if they give us some sort of compliment... I do like to be hopeful during the offseason, because is the time of the year when everything can happen, and everything COULD go our way next season.

Chill out people, let's be positive, that we have a full year ahead to probe us wrong.

We don't need to be positive for positive's sake but how about just a balanced take every once in a while? We've got a bunch of chicken littles running around here.

It has been the same thing every offseason for years now. Posters express their displeasure on the decisions being made, other posters start whining about all the negativity, someone rolls out the tired, lazy, and dismissive "chicken little" barbs, and so on.

And funny thing is, nothing has changed. Since 2010, the Suns claim to glory is a 48-win, 9th place finish. And yet people still get blasted for being negative.

Welcome to Suns fan purgatory. It's probably time for my annual hiatus.

It's called balance, INF. It's not all gloom and doom.

Just because he isn't offering high praise is he saying things are doom and gloom. He is saying we have wasted time and wasted opportunities. How can anyone argue with that? Or think that is doom and gloom?

[Indy]

I don't think it is good that Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight are still Phoenix Suns.

I will say that I think Eric Bledsoe has a lot of talent. I love his work ethic. And his attitude towards the team seems to be great. His work in the community is great. I think he could be a beast if used just the right way. But the problem is has shown no ability to lead a team from the PG position. And although there are certainly instances of players getting much better after playing 6 seasons in the league, they are extremely rare. I think the first half of my post is why the FO really likes him, and I totally get it. We need guys like that on the team. But we also need those guys to be good for the team on the court. And that is where Eric hasn't shown himself to be the PG we need, in addition to the fact he has only played in 60% of the games for us due to injury (and the types of injuries that are likely to continue to bother him).

I'm with you on all of that.

So you think it was a poor decision to invest with him as our PG of the future?

[Superbone]

So much going on, and we still waste so much time bitching about the past to deny any posibility of future success. Is like Wormwood's ghost had taken posesion of the posting board, denying any joy or optimism. This depressing attitude is so '90's guys!!!

I came here to know your take on this crazy offseason and such, but damn, we really like to beat that dead horse. We only like media reports when they are dismissing us, but if they give us some sort of compliment... I do like to be hopeful during the offseason, because is the time of the year when everything can happen, and everything COULD go our way next season.

Chill out people, let's be positive, that we have a full year ahead to probe us wrong.

We don't need to be positive for positive's sake but how about just a balanced take every once in a while? We've got a bunch of chicken littles running around here.

It has been the same thing every offseason for years now. Posters express their displeasure on the decisions being made, other posters start whining about all the negativity, someone rolls out the tired, lazy, and dismissive "chicken little" barbs, and so on.

And funny thing is, nothing has changed. Since 2010, the Suns claim to glory is a 48-win, 9th place finish. And yet people still get blasted for being negative.

Welcome to Suns fan purgatory. It's probably time for my annual hiatus.

It's called balance, INF. It's not all gloom and doom.

Just because he isn't offering high praise is he saying things are doom and gloom. He is saying we have wasted time and wasted opportunities. How can anyone argue with that? Or think that is doom and gloom?

Have you been actually reading his posts? Not everything the Suns do is terrible and misguided. To give our draft an F is laughable.

[Superbone]

I don't think it is good that Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight are still Phoenix Suns.

I will say that I think Eric Bledsoe has a lot of talent. I love his work ethic. And his attitude towards the team seems to be great. His work in the community is great. I think he could be a beast if used just the right way. But the problem is has shown no ability to lead a team from the PG position. And although there are certainly instances of players getting much better after playing 6 seasons in the league, they are extremely rare. I think the first half of my post is why the FO really likes him, and I totally get it. We need guys like that on the team. But we also need those guys to be good for the team on the court. And that is where Eric hasn't shown himself to be the PG we need, in addition to the fact he has only played in 60% of the games for us due to injury (and the types of injuries that are likely to continue to bother him).

I'm with you on all of that.

So you think it was a poor decision to invest with him as our PG of the future?

Yup. I've said it time and again. They backed the wrong horse. Should have gone with Dragic.

[Sunsfan4life]

So much going on, and we still waste so much time bitching about the past to deny any posibility of future success. Is like Wormwood's ghost had taken posesion of the posting board, denying any joy or optimism. This depressing attitude is so '90's guys!!!

I came here to know your take on this crazy offseason and such, but damn, we really like to beat that dead horse. We only like media reports when they are dismissing us, but if they give us some sort of compliment... I do like to be hopeful during the offseason, because is the time of the year when everything can happen, and everything COULD go our way next season.

Chill out people, let's be positive, that we have a full year ahead to probe us wrong.

We don't need to be positive for positive's sake but how about just a balanced take every once in a while? We've got a bunch of chicken littles running around here.

It has been the same thing every offseason for years now. Posters express their displeasure on the decisions being made, other posters start whining about all the negativity, someone rolls out the tired, lazy, and dismissive "chicken little" barbs, and so on.

And funny thing is, nothing has changed. Since 2010, the Suns claim to glory is a 48-win, 9th place finish. And yet people still get blasted for being negative.

Welcome to Suns fan purgatory. It's probably time for my annual hiatus.

It's called balance, INF. It's not all gloom and doom.

I just re-read this thread. People get criticized just as much for being positive as they do for being negative on this board. I would actually say its more like 60-40 in negative posts. Which is fine. But I wouldn't call anything said in this thread as "getting blasted". Not sure where that came from.

[INFORMER]

It's called balance, INF. It's not all gloom and doom.

Just because he isn't offering high praise is he saying things are doom and gloom. He is saying we have wasted time and wasted opportunities. How can anyone argue with that? Or think that is doom and gloom?

Have you been actually reading his posts?

Have you?! You say I'm all doom and gloom; defending the Dudley signing and discussing its benefits with JWB isn't doom and gloom.

[Superbone]

So much going on, and we still waste so much time bitching about the past to deny any posibility of future success. Is like Wormwood's ghost had taken posesion of the posting board, denying any joy or optimism. This depressing attitude is so '90's guys!!!

I came here to know your take on this crazy offseason and such, but damn, we really like to beat that dead horse. We only like media reports when they are dismissing us, but if they give us some sort of compliment... I do like to be hopeful during the offseason, because is the time of the year when everything can happen, and everything COULD go our way next season.

Chill out people, let's be positive, that we have a full year ahead to probe us wrong.

We don't need to be positive for positive's sake but how about just a balanced take every once in a while? We've got a bunch of chicken littles running around here.

It has been the same thing every offseason for years now. Posters express their displeasure on the decisions being made, other posters start whining about all the negativity, someone rolls out the tired, lazy, and dismissive "chicken little" barbs, and so on.

And funny thing is, nothing has changed. Since 2010, the Suns claim to glory is a 48-win, 9th place finish. And yet people still get blasted for being negative.

Welcome to Suns fan purgatory. It's probably time for my annual hiatus.

It's called balance, INF. It's not all gloom and doom.

I just re-read this thread. People get criticized just as much for being positive as they do for being negative about this franchise. I would actually say its more like 60-40 in negative posts. Which is fine. But I wouldn't call anything said in this thread as "getting blasted". Not sure where that came from.

Exactly. It seems like some people are not happy unless everybody is miserable. I tend to stay away from these people in real life. Sometimes this board is unbearable but I try to keep a thick skin and grin and bear it. So I'm definitely not going to back down from somebody that threatens to take a hiatus. I'm also sick of people saying if this or that happens, they're out of here.

[Superbone]

It's called balance, INF. It's not all gloom and doom.

Just because he isn't offering high praise is he saying things are doom and gloom. He is saying we have wasted time and wasted opportunities. How can anyone argue with that? Or think that is doom and gloom?

Have you been actually reading his posts?

Have you?! You say I'm all doom and gloom; defending the Dudley signing and discussing its benefits with JWB isn't doom and gloom.

And I appreciate when you do.

[INFORMER]

Exactly. It seems like some people are not happy unless everybody is miserable. I tend to stay away from these people in real life. Sometimes this board is unbearable but I try to keep a thick skin and grin and bear it. So I'm definitely not going to back down from somebody that threatens to take a hiatus. I'm also sick of people saying if this or that happens, they're out of here.

My opinions have nothing to do with making people feel a certain way. If I challenge someone's positive opinion, it's because I disagree with them, not because I just want people to be miserable. I'm not sure what's the basis for that claim.

I'm not threatening anyone or anything. I'm simply saying, with the climate becoming what it is, it's probably best I take a break. I don't want this board to become filled with posts complaining about how others post. It's funny because I don't ever recall ever criticizing someone for being positive. Yet there are plenty that complain about my negativity. I engage people's opinions and discuss why I may or may not agree with them. If someone wants to tell me why I am wrong about Bender, Ulis, or Chriss, be my guest. But just griping just because my opinion is negative gets tiresome and silly.

[Sunsfan4life]

Exactly. It seems like some people are not happy unless everybody is miserable. I tend to stay away from these people in real life. Sometimes this board is unbearable but I try to keep a thick skin and grin and bear it. So I'm definitely not going to back down from somebody that threatens to take a hiatus. I'm also sick of people saying if this or that happens, they're out of here.

My opinions don't have nothing to do with making people feel a certain way. If I challenge someone's positive opinion, it's because I disagree with them, not because I just want people to be miserable. I'm not sure what's the basis for that claim.

Pretty Ironic that you just posted a double negative:)

[INFORMER]

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/752260458518761472 One step forward, two steps backward. Absolutely brutal how much money they have invested in Allen Crabbe and Evan Turner.
https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/752248509168906240 I hate how so many in sports think if they just spend a whole bunch of money it is "trying to win" or being committed to winning. If it isn't smart or worthwhile spending, it's worse than not spending at all.

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