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Precious and OG for DA? I think it works with his BYC.

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 2:08 pm

Precious and OG for DA? I think it works with his BYC.

Can we get them to throw in Josh Childress?

Yeah no to that plate of hot garbage wtf

Toronto is not getting a young historically efficient center without giving up FVV or Siakam

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 2:14 pm

Toronto is not getting a young historically efficient center without giving up FVV or Siakam

Both of those guys are more valuable than DA on a 5 year max contract.

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 2:16 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 2:14 pm

Toronto is not getting a young historically efficient center without giving up FVV or Siakam

Both of those guys are more valuable than DA on a 5 year max contract.

And much older. DA is a 23 year old center who already has an unguardable post move, plays above average D, moves well and has added to his game each year in the league.

Let’s not discount him. OG ???? Disrespectful. FOH

well then let's keep the KD rumors alive.

OG's intriguing and I like Achuiwa but not enough to trade DA without more coming back. OG's only played like 40 games each of the last 2 years too and has spent more time at SF than PF. He'd probably be more of a Crowder type of replacement that can guard 4s and switch around on defense, but he's not going to make up the difference of losing someone like DA.

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 1:00 pm

Yes

There’s some DA stuff it appears in here, says Toronto is interested. Haven’t been able to listen though

Quick recap of the Suns stuff via Esfandiar

ShelC wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 2:37 pm

OG's intriguing and I like Achuiwa but not enough to trade DA without more coming back. OG's only played like 40 games each of the last 2 years too and has spent more time at SF than PF. He'd probably be more of a Crowder type of replacement that can guard 4s and switch around on defense, but he's not going to make up the difference of losing someone like DA.

That is the reason I would say no. I don't trust his health. But if DA signs there for a front-loaded max and asked us not to match, I would take back OG and Achuiwa and push hard for a pick swap.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 2:14 pm

Toronto is not getting a young historically efficient center without giving up FVV or Siakam

Or both.

OG Anunoby as the centerpiece of an Ayton trade isn't enough. OG is really good but not great, and he carries health concerns. I think his contract is fair value.

I don't value Precious Achiuwa much. He's a back-end rotation big man. High energy, but limited in skill. His ceiling is Richaun Holmes, in my opinion. More likely his career plays out like Montrezl Harrell.

How about Scottie Barnes?

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 9:34 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 8:53 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 8:40 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 8:14 am

Rudy gets +40% more Oboards than Ayton does. And he doesn't seem to pass out of them as much. Rudy also takes almost 40% less FGAs than Ayton.

And how many more FTs a game in spite of that?

Rudy took almost 3 times as many FTA per game this season.

Wow. That's all I can say.

It makes sense if you think about it. If he gets more offensive rebounds, doesn't pass out of them, and takes less FGA, then that's probably because teams are fouling him when he gets the offensive rebounds. He isn't a great free throw shooter. In fact, teams have even played hack-a-Rudy at times.

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 9:59 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 4:42 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 8:27 pm

Wow…how does Gobert have a lower assisted %? Just offensive boards?

And the Suns are supposed to have him create his own shots as a second option? How?!

If he can create his own shot 19% of the time (and not all of those are putbacks), then that means he is capable of doing it. Again, it comes down to the system.

I'll take Siakam.

I just think DA is gone. Would hate to see him go though.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 3:59 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 9:34 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 8:53 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 8:40 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 8:14 am

Rudy gets +40% more Oboards than Ayton does. And he doesn't seem to pass out of them as much. Rudy also takes almost 40% less FGAs than Ayton.

And how many more FTs a game in spite of that?

Rudy took almost 3 times as many FTA per game this season.

Wow. That's all I can say.

It makes sense if you think about it. If he gets more offensive rebounds, doesn't pass out of them, and takes less FGA, then that's probably because teams are fouling him when he gets the offensive rebounds. He isn't a great free throw shooter. In fact, teams have even played hack-a-Rudy at times.

That is a really good point. But the strategy works well for the Jazz. He scores 4.6 ppg from the line on only 7.7 total FGAs. Ayton only gets 1.8 ppg from the line while taking 12.0 FGAs.

Uncle_Gene wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 4:07 pm

I'll take Siakam.

I just think DA is gone. Would hate to see him go though.

But Siakim is more valuable than DA. We would have to send DA plus another 12M in salary and likely draft compensation. And that is only if DA is willing to play there. DA holds more power than anyone in this situation.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 4:01 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 9:59 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 4:42 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 8:27 pm

Wow…how does Gobert have a lower assisted %? Just offensive boards?

And the Suns are supposed to have him create his own shots as a second option? How?!

If he can create his own shot 19% of the time (and not all of those are putbacks), then that means he is capable of doing it. Again, it comes down to the system.

I know everyone is probably getting sick of me saying this, but DA has a chance to create his own shot a dozen times every single game with the DHO plays we run. But he doesn't do that except for maybe once a week.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 4:01 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 9:59 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue May 31, 2022 4:42 am

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 8:27 pm

Wow…how does Gobert have a lower assisted %? Just offensive boards?

And the Suns are supposed to have him create his own shots as a second option? How?!

If he can create his own shot 19% of the time (and not all of those are putbacks), then that means he is capable of doing it. Again, it comes down to the system.

That’s an…. interesting way of looking at it.

Unfortunately, I don’t think his “touches” stats back that up. Like Indy said, some of it is scheme, but a lot of it is him not being aggressive, especially if there’s some resistance at the rim.