Game Day: Nets (3-6) @ Suns (4-6), Mon 11/6/17

[Nodack]

Time: 7:00 pm AZ (6:00 pm PT/9:00 pm ET)
Place: Talking Stick Resort Arena, Phoenix, AZ
TV: FSAZ+, NBALP

Nodack screwed me up! He made a duplicate game day thread chastising us for not having one when I had made it the night before. I moved his post to my thread and then accidentally deleted my original thread instead of his! Grr! So... starting over.

Nets come to town after we beat them last week in Brooklyn. It's a rare 2nd game of a back to back that starts our homestand. The Nets lost to the Lakers on Friday while we got carved up in the 3rd quarter in San Antonio last night.

Go Suns!!!

Dis • cuss

Sorry Bone. I swear I didn’t see it.

Fugly game.

[Nodack]

I like Jared Dudley. I really do. But he shouldn't get 20 minutes, even if a meteor hits the Suns plane and incapacitates all but 6 guys on the roster.

After a long road trip and playing last night, Dudley was the fresh guy who sparked the comeback. We were gettng our ass kicked and he almost single handedly turned it around. We didn’t win the game but, he deserved his playing time in this game IMO.

[Nodack]

Playing with Chandler Dudley and James Here down the stretch. These are the games i hope we LOSEE. this does nothing for the development of Bender Jackson and Co and hurts our draft position. GO NETS

If your goal is to lose every game on purpose then I agree with you. I think they have decided the want to win for now. A coach is going to go with what he has and who is playing well at the end of the game

Chandler and Len split minutes and Chandler had only one foul. Dudley came in when we were down and brought us back himself. He had the top + - @ 7. He deserved his playing time, especially when he was rested and they played last night. Bender was a minus 15 and zero points. Jacson was a minus 10 and shot 16% for the game. Ulis was hitting offensively but, getting destroyed on defense. Booker fouled out. James found his stroke and he and Ulis were forced to play together in the end.

I think the coach did what he had to.

[carey]

Jackson has looked...not great so far.

He's proving why I wasn't interested in him. I still wish we drafted Fox or Tatum but the ship is sailed and we have who we have. I hope he can develop at least a Marion-like offensive game. Right now he just seems to errantly throw things at the hoop hoping they go in. He is extremely quick. That old adage of the second jump being quicker than most people's first is true for him. He needs to figure out how to make that work for him.

[ShelC]

Yea I see his offense regressing. What he was getting in SL and preseason is getting sent back now. He can only really drive right and put up that running flip shot which guys have timed. And with his form, he won't be a legit threat off the bounce unless it's a step back. Maybe he'd play better with a better PG who can get him easy shots ala Marion.

[The Bobster]

Jackson has looked...not great so far.

He's 20 years old and has played 11 NBA games.

Don't worry, he'll get better.

[bajanguy008]

I know some were saying after the back to back road losses to Knicks and Spurs that it seems like the "honeymoon" period for Triano is done and the team is basically gonna be back losing. I was not yet ready to have that take because I realised we had a stretch of home games up and wanted to see how the guys played first. Well Nets was the weakest team on this stretch of home games so definitely not an encouraging start

[Split T]

It was also the second night of a back to back and came directly after a 5 game road trip in 9 days. I'm not saying we're a good team, I think we're in that 5th to 6th worst range with Brooklyn, but we're better than we showed last night.

[O_Gardino]

Crappy game for a lot of our young guys, but it was a crappy game for the Nets, too. Let's call it a defensive battle.

I really don't mind seeing Duds and Chandler out there so much. I wish we had more vets. You don't develop young talent via the shotgun method just by throwing a bunch of guys on the court and hoping something good happens. You have to give them some structure and some small goals to build on. 2 young guys on the court playing with purpose will have more benefit for us down the line than 5 young guys wander lost all over the court.

Over the course of the season, I will judge Triano (and the future of he Suns) based on how much structure we have to our offense. We should be a pretty good scoring team. If we are running plays to get guys good looks, then we have some hope. If we are still just scrambling and going 1 on 1, then we are screwed.

[Furlanfufi]

Crappy game for a lot of our young guys, but it was a crappy game for the Nets, too. Let's call it a defensive battle.

I really don't mind seeing Duds and Chandler out there so much. I wish we had more vets. You don't develop young talent via the shotgun method just by throwing a bunch of guys on the court and hoping something good happens. You have to give them some structure and some small goals to build on. 2 young guys on the court playing with purpose will have more benefit for us down the line than 5 young guys wander lost all over the court.

Over the course of the season, I will judge Triano (and the future of he Suns) based on how much structure we have to our offense. We should be a pretty good scoring team. If we are running plays to get guys good looks, then we have some hope. If we are still just scrambling and going 1 on 1, then we are screwed.

100% agreed

[n4th4n]

Again, this team is poorly constructed. We are not just a few years of development from competing for a championship. We need a second star who is rather a PG or a C. We need several shooters.

You can’t have both Warren and Jackson on this team. You just can’t. They can never see the floor together because neither can shoot for s***. Same with Bender and Chriss. Several redundant players. You need to pick the few you feel are most valuable as a unit, and trade the rest to find pieces that fit together as a team.

I agree wholeheartedly. We have a lot players and lots of picks right now so we are primed to make a move. I want to see a major shakeup by the time the draft comes around. The only players I am really interested in pulling out of the wreckage are Booker, Bender, and Jackson.

[Superbone]

Sorry Bone. I swear I didn’t see it.

Sometimes you have to look down the page past the first 4 or 5 threads. Often people don't start talking about the game until it starts.

[O_Gardino]

I agree wholeheartedly. We have a lot players and lots of picks right now so we are primed to make a move. I want to see a major shakeup by the time the draft comes around. The only players I am really interested in pulling out of the wreckage are Booker, Bender, and Jackson.

Right. Let's see if we can turn these assets into a team with a couple of stars.

[specialsauce]

Playing with Chandler Dudley and James Here down the stretch. These are the games i hope we LOSEE. this does nothing for the development of Bender Jackson and Co and hurts our draft position. GO NETS

If your goal is to lose every game on purpose then I agree with you. I think they have decided the want to win for now. A coach is going to go with what he has and who is playing well at the end of the game

Chandler and Len split minutes and Chandler had only one foul. Dudley came in when we were down and brought us back himself. He had the top + - @ 7. He deserved his playing time, especially when he was rested and they played last night. Bender was a minus 15 and zero points. Jacson was a minus 10 and shot 16% for the game. Ulis was hitting offensively but, getting destroyed on defense. Booker fouled out. James found his stroke and he and Ulis were forced to play together in the end.

I think the coach did what he had to.

Sure, I agree. If I were the coach, I’d do the same. But as a fan interested in real, sustainable success, a couple extra wins at the expense of lottery seeding with no additional benefit to the young guys is the absolute worst thing for this team. I hope we lose every game Triano does that.

[specialsauce]

Again, this team is poorly constructed. We are not just a few years of development from competing for a championship. We need a second star who is rather a PG or a C. We need several shooters.

You can’t have both Warren and Jackson on this team. You just can’t. They can never see the floor together because neither can shoot for s***. Same with Bender and Chriss. Several redundant players. You need to pick the few you feel are most valuable as a unit, and trade the rest to find pieces that fit together as a team.

I agree wholeheartedly. We have a lot players and lots of picks right now so we are primed to make a move. I want to see a major shakeup by the time the draft comes around. The only players I am really interested in pulling out of the wreckage are Booker, Bender, and Jackson.

McD has yet to show any vision for what kind of team he’d like. Agree we have a decent collection of assets, would love to see any kind of direction and cohesion

[Mori Chu]

I'm concerned about Josh Jackson. He just looks lost out there. He can't shoot and his offensive moves are not NBA caliber. I don't think you win with small forwards who cannot shoot. By contrast, a guy like TJ Warren shoots pretty well except from 3, and I get the sense that he's working on adding that to his game.

[specialsauce]

I agree. It doesn’t matter if he does everything else well, if your wing players can’t shoot in today’s game you will not succeed.

[specialsauce]

Well, unless you’re Ben Simmons

[bajanguy008]

The shooting is a fair concern but my issue right now is that when he was drafted , playing both Forward spots was the clear plan so we knew he would get the mins/usage to do his thing and hopefully understand what he can and cannot do. He has only played more than 20mins in blowouts since Triano took over and I wonder if he is pressing now, some of y'all are saying he getting figured out but I will have to pay more attention because I don't think it is far fetched to see a scenario where he realise TJ been playing the lion share at SF (close to 30) and he feels like he has to make things happen fore he back on d bench.
Triano gonna have to figure out what he doing with the minutes because yes we paid TJ but we were selling the Devin/Josh tandem as the future since the draft so he gonna have to play more at some point so we really know what we have and what we looking to do next draft

[Split T]

I'm concerned about Josh Jackson. He just looks lost out there. He can't shoot and his offensive moves are not NBA caliber. I don't think you win with small forwards who cannot shoot. By contrast, a guy like TJ Warren shoots pretty well except from 3, and I get the sense that he's working on adding that to his game.

I think we need to give him a defined role right now and have him stick to it. Play tough D, push the ball in the open court, spot up 3's and come off screens and go to the rim.

Also, the he can't shoot comment isn't accurate. He's no Booker, but he's hitting his 3's at 33%. That's not bad for a rookie who supposedly can't shoot. He's struggled finishing around the rim more than I anticipated but I think he'll adapt. NBA players are stronger and faster than college guys. Jackson is pretty skinny and needs to add strength in order to finish. He could learn a lot from Warren in this regard as Warren has mastered the art of finishing when he can't get all the way to the hoop.

All in all, I was a big Jackson supporter predraft, although I think I actually choose Isaac as my final pick, and I'm a little concerned with his struggles, but we're 10 games in and I think he's still a very promising player.

Fun question, knowing what you know now (10 game sample, Bledsoe trade) would you change our pick?

I know there were a few Fox fans and he would look great as our PG now next to Booker. Isaac would also be very tempting, he's looked pretty good in limited minutes in Orlando. Ntilikina has been pretty promising too. I think those are the only 3 I'd consider, along with Jackson.

Markkanen, Collins, Mitchell, and kuzma have all looked great this year, but I think they're ceilings are lower than the other 4.