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Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:52 pm
by Cap
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:39 pm
Anyone else wish we would trade down from #1? I'm not sold on Ayton and there are still good players to be had.
Who are you sold on? Trading down only makes sense if you know the player you want is going to be available at the lower pick. Boston traded down because they liked Tatum better than Fultz and Ball (and Jackson, who was also considered a possibility for a top 2 pick), and knew they could get their guy at 3.
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:00 pm
by iLLmatic
Cap wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:52 pm
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:39 pm
Anyone else wish we would trade down from #1? I'm not sold on Ayton and there are still good players to be had.
Who are you sold on? Trading down only makes sense if you know the player you want is going to be available at the lower pick. Boston traded down because they liked Tatum better than Fultz and Ball (and Jackson, who was also considered a possibility for a top 2 pick), and knew they could get their guy at 3.
I'd happily take Bamba, JJJ, or Doncic.
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:16 pm
by INFORMER
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:39 pm
Anyone else wish we would trade down from #1? I'm not sold on Ayton and there are still good players to be had.
I would welcome it. I feel like the Suns could land picks 3 and 8. I just want to pick in the top 4.
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:17 pm
by INFORMER
ShelC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:32 am
I really don't love this draft. Last year was the draft to acquire a 2nd pick.
Any particular reason why?
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:29 pm
by Cap
INFORMER wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:17 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:32 am
I really don't love this draft. Last year was the draft to acquire a 2nd pick.
Any particular reason why?
Did you like Markkanen, Shel? He’s the only one I feel we missed out on. Maybe Donovan Mitchell, but that’s not exactly our position of need. Whom would you have targeted with the 2nd pick? I mean at the time, not in hindsight. Be honest.
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:33 pm
by Shabazz
I'd be reluctant to move the pick. While I think it's definitely possible that someone other than Doncic or Ayton ends up as the best player in the draft, I think those two represent a level of certainty/have higher floors than the prospects projected below them. I also think both have higher ceilings.
I didn't feel the same way when it came to Fultz vs Ball vs Tatum, etc.
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:03 pm
by Cap
Shabazz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:33 pm
I'd be reluctant to move the pick. While I think it's definitely possible that someone other than Doncic or Ayton ends up as the best player in the draft, I think those two represent a level of certainty/have lower floors than the prospects projected below them. I also think both have higher ceilings.
I didn't feel the same way when it came to Fultz vs Ball vs Tatum, etc.
You mean higher floors, right?
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:05 pm
by Shabazz
Cap wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:03 pm
Shabazz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:33 pm
I'd be reluctant to move the pick. While I think it's definitely possible that someone other than Doncic or Ayton ends up as the best player in the draft, I think those two represent a level of certainty/have lower floors than the prospects projected below them. I also think both have higher ceilings.
I didn't feel the same way when it came to Fultz vs Ball vs Tatum, etc.
You mean higher floors, right?
Yes. Thanks. Corrected.
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:06 pm
by Superbone
Don't try to get fancy. Just take Ayton and be done with it. If you want to be fancy, figure out a way to get Doncic too.
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:09 pm
by specialsauce
Thank you.
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:38 am
by JustWinBaby
Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:06 pm
Don't try to get fancy. Just take Ayton and be done with it. If you want to be fancy, figure out a way to get Doncic too.
I agree
As much as I love the idea of Doncic I cannot imagine us passing on Ayton unless something horrible on him shows up prior to draft night. However I hope we use every asset that we have to try to get Doncic as well.
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:54 am
by Democritus
To have Ayton and Doncic in the same draft is simple impossible. I dont think any GM will trade Doncic for JJ and some assets. Certainly we would not trade Doncic for JJ. So why assume others will do it?
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:29 am
by ShelC
Cap wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:29 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:17 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:32 am
I really don't love this draft. Last year was the draft to acquire a 2nd pick.
Any particular reason why?
Did you like Markkanen, Shel? He’s the only one I feel we missed out on. Maybe Donovan Mitchell, but that’s not exactly our position of need. Whom would you have targeted with the 2nd pick? I mean at the time, not in hindsight. Be honest.
Last year I loved Tatum and Fox. Jackson was 3rd for me. I liked Mitchell, Adebayo, Bell, OG, Swanigan, Bacon, Semi and Brooks. I was unsure about Markkanen but saw the potential. I liked Fultz and Ball but knew they weren't realistic for us. I just felt like there was a ton of clear NBA talent, albeit very different talent, especially in the top 10. Tatum and Jackson are both swings, but have completely different games. Smith and Mitchell are similar but were so different from a guard like Frank. I just thought we could've added talent in different forms out of last year's draft.
This year, and maybe I just haven't studied up enough, I just don't feel like there are any "wow" guys. Guys who really stand out. Everyone looks amazing in highlights, but when I watched JJJ and Bagley, I didn't feel great about them at an NBA level. I'm still unsure about Ayton and his IQ and defense. Bamba's a guy who can make a GM look great or get him fired. Same with Trae Young. Wendell Carter is solid, if unspectacular. The Bridges....meh. I like SGA but he needs to get stronger. Porter and Doncic are true basketball players and the only two, on paper, I feel confident about. But Porter has health questions and Doncic may not be able to do in the NBA what he did in Europe. So both of those guys have question marks.
Looked back on some threads...here's a good page:
http://www.phx-suns.net/viewtopic.php?f ... tum#p86839
Some talk about Tatum, our roster, how the pieces fit, how McD's drafted. Marty...that take on us vs the Sixers
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:41 am
by O_Gardino
ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:29 am
Cap wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:29 pm
INFORMER wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:17 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:32 am
I really don't love this draft. Last year was the draft to acquire a 2nd pick.
Any particular reason why?
Did you like Markkanen, Shel? He’s the only one I feel we missed out on. Maybe Donovan Mitchell, but that’s not exactly our position of need. Whom would you have targeted with the 2nd pick? I mean at the time, not in hindsight. Be honest.
Last year I loved Tatum and Fox. Jackson was 3rd for me. I liked Mitchell, Adebayo, Bell, OG, Swanigan, Bacon, Semi and Brooks. I was unsure about Markkanen but saw the potential. I liked Fultz and Ball but knew they weren't realistic for us. I just felt like there was a ton of clear NBA talent, albeit very different talent, especially in the top 10. Tatum and Jackson are both swings, but have completely different games. Smith and Mitchell are similar but were so different from a guard like Frank. I just thought we could've added talent in different forms out of last year's draft.
This year, and maybe I just haven't studied up enough, I just don't feel like there are any "wow" guys. Guys who really stand out. Everyone looks amazing in highlights, but when I watched JJJ and Bagley, I didn't feel great about them at an NBA level. I'm still unsure about Ayton and his IQ and defense. Bamba's a guy who can make a GM look great or get him fired. Same with Trae Young. Wendell Carter is solid, if unspectacular. The Bridges....meh. I like SGA but he needs to get stronger. Porter and Doncic are true basketball players and the only two, on paper, I feel confident about. But Porter has health questions and Doncic may not be able to do in the NBA what he did in Europe. So both of those guys have question marks.
Looked back on some threads...here's a good page:
http://www.phx-suns.net/viewtopic.php?f ... tum#p86839
Some talk about Tatum, our roster, how the pieces fit, how McD's drafted. Marty...that take on us vs the Sixers
I don't think Mrty was too far off. At that point, the only real guard the 6ers had was McConnell, and he hadn't turned the corner yet. Looking back on the layoffs this year, the 6ers greatest need was still at PG. If you think the 6ers drafted better than us, please remember all the lottery picks they threw away before landing Embiid and Simmons, both of whom were obvious choices.
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:56 am
by Superbone
Ayton is in today:
https://twitter.com/sbordow/status/1004196426635665408
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:18 am
by In2ition
Superbone wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:56 am
Ayton is in today:
https://twitter.com/sbordow/status/1004196426635665408
Apparently, he is working out as we speak.
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:22 am
by carey
Superbone wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:56 am
Ayton is in today:
You're the last person I thought would Carey me!
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:46 am
by O_Gardino
carey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:22 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:56 am
Ayton is in today:
You're the last person I thought would Carey me!
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:57 am
by Superbone
carey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:22 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:56 am
Ayton is in today:
You're the last person I thought would Carey me!
Did I? Still don't see it. Carey on!
Re: 2018 Suns Pre-draft Workouts
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:05 pm
by carey
McDonough is on live at Suns.com/now
He said more candidates for #1 will be in this week.