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Like a Teddy-Roosevelt-on-Mount-Rushmore kind of drop.The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:12 amThat's pretty fair. But I think there's a big gap between Robinson and Ewing.
Agreed. It was great to see. He can literally do that most nights with that type of attitude. I know it has been 30 years since anyone has averaged 18 boards a game, but he has that ability. He could easily be a 25/18/4 guy in this league with the right work ethic.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:32 pmAyton must have read the comments tonight. That was a great Robinson impersonation.
If it requires the right work ethic, then it’s not done “easily,” is it?Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:00 amAgreed. It was great to see. He can literally do that most nights with that type of attitude. I know it has been 30 years since anyone has averaged 18 boards a game, but he has that ability. He could easily be a 25/18/4 guy in this league with the right work ethic.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:32 pmAyton must have read the comments tonight. That was a great Robinson impersonation.
Partly because of his religious views. Partly because he didn't dominate in the playoffs the way folks wanted. Hakeem owned him in the one playoff series in which they met. (It's crazy that they only met in the playoffs once. Robinson and Ewing never met in the playoffs.)JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:40 amThis may surprise you also, but Robinson was labeled as "soft" his entire career.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:53 amHoly s***. I didn't realize he was such a beast! I only caught his later playing days when I was younger alongside Duncan. He was more finesse. I wish Ayton was half as physical as Robinson. Not only was he jacked but he was just throwing it down on people! Kind of reminds me of a 7ft Shawn Kemp!In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:01 amThis isn't meant as Ayton hate, so please don't take this as that, but I know a lot of people have compared Ayton to David Robinson and this clip doesn't make me think that at all. Ayton isn't trying to kill the rim or make athletic and acrobatic runs at the rim like Robinson did regularly. Seriously, could you imagine Ayton getting 52 pts in a game, let alone 71?
I wonder where prime Sabonis would have ranked if he had made it to America. Maybe up there with Hakeem.The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:12 amThat's pretty fair. But I think there's a big gap between Robinson and Ewing.
His physical skills would make it easy, if he had the right mindset. So yeah, I am sticking with it.Cap wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:17 amIf it requires the right work ethic, then it’s not done “easily,” is it?Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:00 amAgreed. It was great to see. He can literally do that most nights with that type of attitude. I know it has been 30 years since anyone has averaged 18 boards a game, but he has that ability. He could easily be a 25/18/4 guy in this league with the right work ethic.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:32 pmAyton must have read the comments tonight. That was a great Robinson impersonation.
How many rebounds do you think he could average if he was really trying hard? 20? Drummands career high in rebounding for a season is 16.0--Its hard for me to think of Ayton averaging more than 18.Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:20 amHis physical skills would make it easy, if he had the right mindset. So yeah, I am sticking with it.Cap wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:17 amIf it requires the right work ethic, then it’s not done “easily,” is it?Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:00 amAgreed. It was great to see. He can literally do that most nights with that type of attitude. I know it has been 30 years since anyone has averaged 18 boards a game, but he has that ability. He could easily be a 25/18/4 guy in this league with the right work ethic.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:32 pmAyton must have read the comments tonight. That was a great Robinson impersonation.
I think 18 is a realistic goal for someone with his size and athleticism. But honestly, I care more about his scoring and blocks.jonh wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:25 amHow many rebounds do you think he could average if he was really trying hard? 20? Drummands career high in rebounding for a season is 16.0--Its hard for me to think of Ayton averaging more than 18.Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:20 amHis physical skills would make it easy, if he had the right mindset. So yeah, I am sticking with it.Cap wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:17 amIf it requires the right work ethic, then it’s not done “easily,” is it?Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:00 amAgreed. It was great to see. He can literally do that most nights with that type of attitude. I know it has been 30 years since anyone has averaged 18 boards a game, but he has that ability. He could easily be a 25/18/4 guy in this league with the right work ethic.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:32 pmAyton must have read the comments tonight. That was a great Robinson impersonation.
If he averaged 16 a game, I would be incredibly excited.
His 3pt shooting is better than anyone else we’d be playing there. He’s not a great rebounder, but he’s played next to Jokic and Steven Adams(not to mention Westbrook) and I’m not too concerned about rebounding(Ayton is getting 20 a game nowMori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:51 amI liked Grant a lot when I've seen him in games recently, but I confess I haven't watched him a lot. The main thing I'd worry about is outside shooting. He shoots 36.7% from 3; do folks think that would be good enough? I was also surprised when I looked at his rebounding numbers; they're lower than I would have thought, only 3.2 a game.
If Sabonis had come over before he has his knee and Achilles injuries he may have been #1 on that list.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:15 amI wonder where prime Sabonis would have ranked if he had made it to America. Maybe up there with Hakeem.The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:12 amThat's pretty fair. But I think there's a big gap between Robinson and Ewing.
Shaq -> Hakeem > (Sabonis?) > Robinson --> Ewing > Divac > Morning
I'm not sure about Mourning. He was a star, for sure. But with his injuries, he never really lived up to that. I'd be inclined to rank Vlade higher, despite being a top tier role player, because I feel that Vlade helped pave the way for modern big men and was a huge factor in the playoffs year after year.
I would also add that there's a real age gap between all of those.
In the 92/93 season:
Oneal: 20
Mourning: 22
Divac: 24
Robinson: 27
Sabonis: 28
Hakeem: 30
Ewing: 30
I think if Ewing played for a small market team, he would hardly be remembered as a great center in the 90s. He probably peaked at the end of the 80s, despite it being early.The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:50 pmIf Sabonis had come over before he has his knee and Achilles injuries he may have been #1 on that list.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:15 amI wonder where prime Sabonis would have ranked if he had made it to America. Maybe up there with Hakeem.The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:12 amThat's pretty fair. But I think there's a big gap between Robinson and Ewing.
Shaq -> Hakeem > (Sabonis?) > Robinson --> Ewing > Divac > Morning
I'm not sure about Mourning. He was a star, for sure. But with his injuries, he never really lived up to that. I'd be inclined to rank Vlade higher, despite being a top tier role player, because I feel that Vlade helped pave the way for modern big men and was a huge factor in the playoffs year after year.
I would also add that there's a real age gap between all of those.
In the 92/93 season:
Oneal: 20
Mourning: 22
Divac: 24
Robinson: 27
Sabonis: 28
Hakeem: 30
Ewing: 30
It surprised me that Ewing wasn't more dominant when he came into the league - he had the reputation of being ferocious at Georgetown and he was more or less a finesse player on offense in the NBA.
Ewing and Hakeem were great centers of the 80s. Their collegiate play was as important back then as their NBA play.Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:06 pmI think if Ewing played for a small market team, he would hardly be remembered as a great center in the 90s. He probably peaked at the end of the 80s, despite it being early.The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:50 pmIf Sabonis had come over before he has his knee and Achilles injuries he may have been #1 on that list.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:15 amI wonder where prime Sabonis would have ranked if he had made it to America. Maybe up there with Hakeem.The Bobster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:12 amThat's pretty fair. But I think there's a big gap between Robinson and Ewing.
Shaq -> Hakeem > (Sabonis?) > Robinson --> Ewing > Divac > Morning
I'm not sure about Mourning. He was a star, for sure. But with his injuries, he never really lived up to that. I'd be inclined to rank Vlade higher, despite being a top tier role player, because I feel that Vlade helped pave the way for modern big men and was a huge factor in the playoffs year after year.
I would also add that there's a real age gap between all of those.
In the 92/93 season:
Oneal: 20
Mourning: 22
Divac: 24
Robinson: 27
Sabonis: 28
Hakeem: 30
Ewing: 30
It surprised me that Ewing wasn't more dominant when he came into the league - he had the reputation of being ferocious at Georgetown and he was more or less a finesse player on offense in the NBA.
He didn't have single season in the 90s with a VORP over 5, but he did have 4 with a WS over 10.
For VORP:
Robinson (7), Dream and Shaq (3 each), and Vlade (1) all had seasons with a VORP 5 or greater. Robinson had one at 10.6!
For Win Shares:
DRob (8), Shaq (5), Ewing (4), Dream (3), Dikembe and Brad Dougherty [!?!] (2), and Parish & Zo with 1.
That 10.6 VORP year for DRob also had him with a Win Share of 20!