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specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:19 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:29 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:26 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:10 pm

Cam has looked fantastic, but I'd love to see him stay on the court for the rest of the year. Injury history gives me pause about forking out big money

Cam has not been able to stay healthy or consistently productive long enough to command Mikal money, sorry.

The best ability is availability and he hasn’t been available enough to warrant that contract.

I felt like the Suns reported offer was very generous. If he can stay healthy through the end of the year I would offer him that same contract again or look to move either him or Mikal in an upgrade for a star

So, you would let him walk if he gets a contract offer better then what you think he deserves?

Btw, I thought this was interesting, in a small sample size.

I would not let it get to that if at all possible. Please do not go DA pt2. If you can’t agree on a number, find a sign and trade and get creative to get a return you deem acceptable.

Fair enough, that seems reasonable. Tbh, I don't want to see Cam J walk away. Hopefully, they can come to a reasonable agreement.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:22 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:19 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:29 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:26 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:10 pm

Cam has looked fantastic, but I'd love to see him stay on the court for the rest of the year. Injury history gives me pause about forking out big money

Cam has not been able to stay healthy or consistently productive long enough to command Mikal money, sorry.

The best ability is availability and he hasn’t been available enough to warrant that contract.

I felt like the Suns reported offer was very generous. If he can stay healthy through the end of the year I would offer him that same contract again or look to move either him or Mikal in an upgrade for a star

So, you would let him walk if he gets a contract offer better then what you think he deserves?

Btw, I thought this was interesting, in a small sample size.

I would not let it get to that if at all possible. Please do not go DA pt2. If you can’t agree on a number, find a sign and trade and get creative to get a return you deem acceptable.

Fair enough, that seems reasonable. Tbh, I don't want to see Cam J walk away. Hopefully, they can come to a reasonable agreement.

My hope is that Cam agrees to a reasonable deal for both sides or that they trade him as part of a deal for a player so good I forget about who we even traded out

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:42 am

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:50 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:47 pm

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:17 pm

The Suns are back to tied for #5 in the West.

Wow. That was…sudden.

So is it too late to fire Monty and tank the season?

You never heard me call for doing either. I never said we should tank and I never said to fire Monty before the end of the season.

True. You didn't specify when to fire him. Just that you want him fired.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:24 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:22 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:19 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:29 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:26 pm

Cam has not been able to stay healthy or consistently productive long enough to command Mikal money, sorry.

The best ability is availability and he hasn’t been available enough to warrant that contract.

I felt like the Suns reported offer was very generous. If he can stay healthy through the end of the year I would offer him that same contract again or look to move either him or Mikal in an upgrade for a star

So, you would let him walk if he gets a contract offer better then what you think he deserves?

Btw, I thought this was interesting, in a small sample size.

I would not let it get to that if at all possible. Please do not go DA pt2. If you can’t agree on a number, find a sign and trade and get creative to get a return you deem acceptable.

Fair enough, that seems reasonable. Tbh, I don't want to see Cam J walk away. Hopefully, they can come to a reasonable agreement.

My hope is that Cam agrees to a reasonable deal for both sides or that they trade him as part of a deal for a player so good I forget about who we even traded out

I'm not sure that Oubre Jr. is available.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:26 pm

TOO wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:10 pm

Cam has looked fantastic, but I'd love to see him stay on the court for the rest of the year. Injury history gives me pause about forking out big money

Cam has not been able to stay healthy or consistently productive long enough to command Mikal money, sorry.

The best ability is availability and he hasn’t been available enough to warrant that contract.

I felt like the Suns reported offer was very generous. If he can stay healthy through the end of the year I would offer him that same contract again or look to move either him or Mikal in an upgrade for a star

This isn't accurate. He's had two significant absences in his 3.5 years and only last seasons leg contusion can be viewed suspiciously, IMO. I don't worry at all about a meniscus repair, that seems slightly less common than a sprained ankle or knee in the NBA. He averaged 61 games played in his first three seasons, while NBA "stars" missed an average of 28 games last season. (https://www.truehoop.com/p/nba-stars-mi ... 0mentality.)

If you want to knock him for his health, I guess you could say he's a slow healer, but again, that's only due to the injury last season which he's clearly put behind him now.

It's only an 11 game sample, but if he continues this pace, he will easily command $100M+ on his next deal. 44% on 6+ 3PA is elite shooting, and just as valuable as Mikal's defense by comparison.

The problem with Cam & his injuries is we were supposed to use this season to see how his thin frame would hold up starting & defending NBA power forwards for a season. It lasted a week. That might not have you concerned but it does me. I need him back playing starter's minutes asap.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:11 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:24 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:22 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:19 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:29 pm

So, you would let him walk if he gets a contract offer better then what you think he deserves?

Btw, I thought this was interesting, in a small sample size.

I would not let it get to that if at all possible. Please do not go DA pt2. If you can’t agree on a number, find a sign and trade and get creative to get a return you deem acceptable.

Fair enough, that seems reasonable. Tbh, I don't want to see Cam J walk away. Hopefully, they can come to a reasonable agreement.

My hope is that Cam agrees to a reasonable deal for both sides or that they trade him as part of a deal for a player so good I forget about who we even traded out

I'm not sure that Oubre Jr. is available.

You woke up and chose drugs today

Superbone wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:07 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:42 am

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:50 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:47 pm

The Bobster wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:17 pm

The Suns are back to tied for #5 in the West.

Wow. That was…sudden.

So is it too late to fire Monty and tank the season?

You never heard me call for doing either. I never said we should tank and I never said to fire Monty before the end of the season.

True. You didn't specify when to fire him. Just that you want him fired.

I've always said to give him until the end of the season.

IIRC, he clashed knees with another player. I don't think that has anything to do with his "thin frame", which isn't so thin anymore.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:45 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:07 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:42 am

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:50 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:47 pm

Wow. That was…sudden.

So is it too late to fire Monty and tank the season?

You never heard me call for doing either. I never said we should tank and I never said to fire Monty before the end of the season.

True. You didn't specify when to fire him. Just that you want him fired.

I've always said to give him until the end of the season.

And THEN fire him. No matter what happened to end the season. Do I have it right? Or is it only if he doesn’t win an NBA championship? Or should it happen if Ayton doesn’t lead the league in shot attempts? I’m not sure exactly what your parameters are.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:28 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:53 pm

If we lose this game it's because Ayton is 6 for 8 and we keep refusing to go to him, while Bridges is 2 for 11.

What a stupid team and coach.

#FireMonty

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:50 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:28 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:53 pm

If we lose this game it's because Ayton is 6 for 8 and we keep refusing to go to him, while Bridges is 2 for 11.

What a stupid team and coach.

#FireMonty

Wait a minute. That doesn’t imply wait until the end of the season. So confused.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:54 pm

Nope. I've consistently said the same thing, even this month:

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:47 pm

So many winnable games we've lost that could be the difference in seeding or making the postseason at all. There has to be a coaching change after this season, and I'm even more confident than when I made this thread that there will be.

You've also said #FireMonty several times this season.

So you are consistently playing both sides. Good strategy.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:50 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:45 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:07 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:42 am

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:50 pm

So is it too late to fire Monty and tank the season?

You never heard me call for doing either. I never said we should tank and I never said to fire Monty before the end of the season.

True. You didn't specify when to fire him. Just that you want him fired.

I've always said to give him until the end of the season.

And THEN fire him. No matter what happened to end the season. Do I have it right? Or is it only if he doesn’t win an NBA championship? Or should it happen if Ayton doesn’t lead the league in shot attempts? I’m not sure exactly what your parameters are.

When I started the Monty thread I said that I expected him to be fired after one more underachieving end to the season. For me personally, the criteria would be championship or bust at this point.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:05 pm

You've also said #FireMonty several times this season.

So you are consistently playing both sides. Good strategy.

Nope. Those are always meant to be read within the context of what I've stated multiple times--that I would not fire him before the end of this season.

Here's another one:

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:32 am

Lol, I’m not saying most want Monty fired (I’m not even calling for him to be fired before the end of the season), but literally 90% of Twitter was defending Ayton and attacking Monty.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:23 pm

It's only an 11 game sample, but if he continues this pace, he will easily command $100M+ on his next deal. 44% on 6+ 3PA is elite shooting, and just as valuable as Mikal's defense by comparison.

Backing up the Brinks truck for shooting specialists hasn't worked for most teams. Brooklyn (Joe Harris), Washington (Davis Bertans), and Miami (Duncan Robinson) can all attest to that.

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 29, 2023 4:04 pm

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:23 pm

It's only an 11 game sample, but if he continues this pace, he will easily command $100M+ on his next deal. 44% on 6+ 3PA is elite shooting, and just as valuable as Mikal's defense by comparison.

Backing up the Brinks truck for shooting specialists hasn't worked for most teams. Brooklyn (Joe Harris), Washington (Davis Bertans), and Miami (Duncan Robinson) can all attest to that.

That is true, but Cam is far more athletic than those three guys and isn't a traffic cone on defense. He's more likely to be a modern Bob Horry.

Not saying he’s Klay, but Klay is also mostly a shooting specialist. He’s somewhere between Klay and Duncan Robinson. Just needs to be closer to Klay than Duncan Robinson. Korver is another example of a shooting specialist who was fairly valuable.