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Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:55 pm
by carey
Nope, save the money & let him walk.

I'm fine with starting Green and running out Archie and IT2. We're not challenging for the WCF or anything, lets let guys that want to be here some run so they can improve.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:06 pm
by AmareIsGod
I never felt, since last season to the end of the season / throughout the beginning of the off-season that Bledsoe ever portrayed someone that wanted to be here. This might be a ploy by he and his agent to get him out of here. So long Eric. It was nice renting you for half a season.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:25 pm
by Superbone
Mori Chu wrote:I like Bledsoe and would rather keep him, but if he wants that much, let's show him the door. Maybe I'd do an S&T but I don't want to take on tons of salary, either. Maybe a team will S&T us a decent PF for him? (Remember, it has to be a team where he WANTS to play to make an S&T work. No Minnesota for Love deals here.)
The problem is I don't think ANYBODY wants to pay him that kind of money.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:41 pm
by Split T
Exactly. Only philly has the money to even offer him more than 4/48. They have no leverage, we can hold out at 4/48 and he can take it or he can accept the QO and play next year at 3 mil or whatever it is

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:51 pm
by Xylus
I might be in the minority here, but if you put a gun to my head and told me to choose between these:

A. Pay Eric the max
B. Let him walk

I'm paying the man. An extra 3-4 million a year isn't going to bankrupt the team. The Suns are simply a much better team when he's on the floor with Goran Dragic.

Luckily, Bledsoe has very little leverage in these negotiations. The Suns are going to win this battle.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:33 pm
by MightyMoog
The problem isn't the money. It's the cap number. You give that much and you lose all flexibility. And until we find that go to guy, we need to stay flexible.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:32 pm
by INFORMER
You'd have to bowl over Phoenix with a sign-and-trade offer, something that most teams aren't equipped to do. The Bucks have talent, but they can't afford to send it out to get Bledsoe, even as bad as they were last year; it would rake the cupboard dry except for Parker.
<cough> Greek Freak <cough>

That pipe dream aside, this is stupid and silly. This sign and trade him and get it over with. The Suns don't need him. He's a luxury and a needless risk. Get over him, Ryan.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:55 pm
by INFORMER
Shabazz wrote:
Wow. He's "decent" at being "fodder." High praise.

I could name 10 free agent big men is rather have at the minimum. Gustavo Ayon, Udoh, Dante Cunningham, etc.

I once played pickup ball with Shavlik in Central Park.
I love how bothered you are by this.

And I agree that Udoh and Ayon would be better. I would definitely go with Ayon.

Ryan probably plans on using him (pointlessly) in a deal like he did with Shannon the Cannon, or this is just another one of his man-crushes from his Boston days.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:03 am
by Shabazz
He's just a useless player and we legitimately need one more big man that can rebound and defend. Shavlik does nothing well. The best thing about him is that he doesn't make many mistakes.

I'm more bothered by it because of the players that are still out there (Ayon would be sooo much better in that spot) and the ones that just signed tiny deals (like Davis).

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:11 am
by INFORMER
AmareIsGod wrote:I never felt, since last season to the end of the season / throughout the beginning of the off-season that Bledsoe ever portrayed someone that wanted to be here. This might be a ploy by he and his agent to get him out of here. So long Eric. It was nice renting you for half a season.
carey wrote:Nope, save the money & let him walk.

I'm fine with starting Green and running out Archie and IT2. We're not challenging for the WCF or anything, lets let guys that want to be here some run so they can improve.
Sunsfan4life wrote:It's time to seriously start considering S&T. I'm sure the suns have already, but who in the hell besides Milwaukee is going to sigh EB?

If it is Milwaukee A deal invilving picks and Henson is something I definitely would be interested in
Mori Chu wrote:I like Bledsoe and would rather keep him, but if he wants that much, let's show him the door. Maybe I'd do an S&T but I don't want to take on tons of salary, either. Maybe a team will S&T us a decent PF for him? (Remember, it has to be a team where he WANTS to play to make an S&T work. No Minnesota for Love deals here.)
AmareIsGod wrote:Isaiah Thomas puts up better numbers than Bledsoe and has healthy knees. He gets 4 years, $27 million. Eric and his agent want 5 years, $80 million. Are you fucking kidding me? Get out of here with that shit.
ShelC wrote:I'm sure it's his agent, Rich Paul (aka LeBron's agent) who's going to make this difficult. Trade him or let him walk as a free agent next year. Who needs the aggravation if they're going to be douches. We legit have leverage now with 3 PGs on the roster.

Forgive me for getting all RealGM-message-boards on y'all, but:

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Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:17 am
by INFORMER
Shabazz wrote:He's just a useless player and we legitimately need one more big man that can rebound and defend. Shavlik does nothing well. The best thing about him is that he doesn't make many mistakes.
He is a decent rebounder.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:26 am
by Ring_Wanted
Bledsoe and his agent are nuts.

I match an offer sheet, even at the max. I don't bid against myself, period.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:26 am
by klown
anyone else think broussard's "source" here is someone in the suns organization rather than bledsoe's camp? seems like the fan/media reaction so far supports the suns valuation of bledsoe rather than his own. at this point, eric and his agent are starting to look bad. McD says checkmate...

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:30 am
by AmareIsGod
klown, who's the avatar? Is that you? You must Crossfit. Me too!

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:31 am
by Superbone
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/suns-bleds ... --nba.html
The Suns retain refusal rights to match competing offer sheets, which now seem inevitable.

Milwaukee and Houston are also reportedly eager to have an audience with the 24-year-old Bledsoe, who played 43 games last season while fighting a knee injury that required surgery and averaged 17.7 points, 5.5 assists and 4.7 rebounds per game.

The Rockets traded point guard Jeremy Lin to the Los Angeles Lakers with the expectation of signing free agent Chris Bosh, who re-signed with the Miami Heat. Houston couldn't compete with the Bucks to offer a full max deal without a sign-and-trade agreement with Phoenix.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:35 am
by klown
AmareIsGod wrote:klown, who's the avatar? Is that you? You must Crossfit. Me too!
haha i wish. nope thats archie goodwin. just thought the tat on his arm made an appropriate avatar :D

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:36 am
by sunset rubdown
I`d like to somehow get Zach Lavine for Bledsoe. Trouble is he most probably is not interested in going to Minny.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:19 am
by SDC
carey wrote:https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/489898806410887169 It's that tool Broussard but no way am I giving Bledsoe 5/80. Hahaha. Wtf dude. You're delusional.
and that is why isaiah thomas is already here.

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:20 am
by SDC
is the milwaukee offer still on the table?

Re: Suns News: The Offseason

Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:50 am
by djy2j
What's the Milwaukee offer?