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Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:38 pm
by Split T
Ok here's my trade target list for ball handlers
Big name targets:
Kemba Walker - Best overall player on this list, don't love the fit. He's a great scorer, but I'm looking for a value target and want most of the value to come from Shooting/Defense/Passing
Terry Rozier - Not sure what it would cost, but I'd listen at the right price.
Jeremy Lin - Heard Zach Lowe mention him a few times in regards to us. I'd rather pass, but if we've got no other options and the price is minimal, I guess.
Pat Beverley - Not really a PG, his defensive #'s have slipped, spot up shooter is all he offers. Probably a pass from me.
Darren Collison - Not likely available, but led NBA in 3% at 47%, takes care of ball, 4.4 A/TO ratio, and defends his position. Everything I want.
Favorite targets:
Delon Wright - Good size at 6'5, shot .47/.37/.83, takes care of the ball, 2.5 A/TO ratio, good defensive #'s, going into 4th year of rookie deal.
Tyus Jones - Shoots, .46/.35/.88, plays D, 2.3 stl/36 and takes care of the ball, 4.1 A/TO ratio, also going into 4th year of rookie deal.
Other options:
Jerian Grant - Good size at 6'4, needs to shoot better, .42/.32/.75, takes care of the ball, 3.8 A/TO ratio, another 4th year of rookie deal guy.
Caris Lavert - Wing with some pg skills, 5.8 Ast/36, size at 6'7, ok shooter .44/.35/.71
Spencer Dinwiddie - Great size at 6'6, needs to shoot better, .39/.33/.81, good PG skills, 8.2 Ast/36, 4.1 A/TO ratio
Josh Richardson - Not a PG, but a skilled wing, 3.1 Ast/36 and 1.6 A/TO ratio, great defender, shot .45/.38/.85
If San Antonio doesn't want them in Kawhi trades:
Markelle Fultz - Great size, tons of potential if the shot returns, even still, 14/6/8 per 36 with a 3.1 A/TO ratio
Lonzo Ball - 6'6, fills the stat sheet 11/7/8 with 2 stl, 1 BLK per 36. Very good advanced stats on D, 2.7 A/TO ratio. Needs to learn how to shoot.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:55 pm
by Split T
Trade targets at the stretch 4 spot:
Big names:
Paul Millsap - Intriguing if Denver thinks Porter is ready and wants to avoid luxury tax. Next year is a team option, so just a 1 year deal. Defends, 1.2 stl/36, 1.4 blk/36, stretches the floor, 35% from 3. Really solid vet.
Otto Porter Jr - Don't see him available, but fills the stat sheet, shoots, 44% from 3, really good advanced stats on D
Tobias Harris: D is questionable, but very talented scorer, stretches the floor, 41% from 3
Favorite targets:
Mo Harkless - Could be cheap, plays D, 1.4 stl/36, 1.2 blk/36 and shoots, 42% from 3
Justise Winslow - Very good advanced D stats, shoots 38% from 3, and can create a bit, 3.2 Ast/36 and 2.0 A/TO ratio
Dream Target:
Jonathan Isaac - super long, elite defensive prospect, 2.2 stl/36 and 2.0 blk/36 with good advanced stats on D and shooting potential at 35% from 3
If San Antonio doesn't want them in a Kawhi trade:
Dario Saric - Shoots and can create a little offense. 39% from 3, 3.1 Ast/36
Robert Covington - Length, elite defender with elite advanced stats, 1.9 stl/36 1.0 blk/36 and shoots 37% from 3
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:34 pm
by Indy
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:55 pm
Trade targets at the stretch 4 spot:
Big names:
Paul Millsap - Intriguing if Denver thinks Porter is ready and wants to avoid luxury tax. Next year is a team option, so just a 1 year deal. Defends, 1.2 stl/36, 1.4 blk/36, stretches the floor, 35% from 3. Really solid vet.
Otto Porter Jr - Don't see him available, but fills the stat sheet, shoots, 44% from 3, really good advanced stats on D
Tobias Harris: D is questionable, but very talented scorer, stretches the floor, 41% from 3
Favorite targets:
Mo Harkless - Could be cheap, plays D, 1.4 stl/36, 1.2 blk/36 and shoots, 42% from 3
Justise Winslow - Very good advanced D stats, shoots 38% from 3, and can create a bit, 3.2 Ast/36 and 2.0 A/TO ratio
Dream Target:
Jonathan Isaac - super long, elite defensive prospect, 2.2 stl/36 and 2.0 blk/36 with good advanced stats on D and shooting potential at 35% from 3
If San Antonio doesn't want them in a Kawhi trade:
Dario Saric - Shoots and can create a little offense. 39% from 3, 3.1 Ast/36
Robert Covington - Length, elite defender with elite advanced stats, 1.9 stl/36 1.0 blk/36 and shoots 37% from 3
I can't see how Orlando would give him up. He was the perfect pick for us last year at #4. or Lauri.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:44 pm
by Split T
Agreed, I just love his game. I was a big Jackson fan before the draft (still am), but I did have Isaac just barely ahead of Jackson.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:51 pm
by Indy
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:44 pm
Agreed, I just love his game. I was a big Jackson fan before the draft (still am), but I did have Isaac just barely ahead of Jackson.
Yeah, me too. I was worried about Jackson's shooting. Still am.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:09 pm
by In2ition
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:38 pm
Ok here's my trade target list for ball handlers
Big name targets:
Kemba Walker - Best overall player on this list, don't love the fit. He's a great scorer, but I'm looking for a value target and want most of the value to come from Shooting/Defense/Passing
Terry Rozier - Not sure what it would cost, but I'd listen at the right price.
Jeremy Lin - Heard Zach Lowe mention him a few times in regards to us. I'd rather pass, but if we've got no other options and the price is minimal, I guess.
Pat Beverley - Not really a PG, his defensive #'s have slipped, spot up shooter is all he offers. Probably a pass from me.
Darren Collison - Not likely available, but led NBA in 3% at 47%, takes care of ball, 4.4 A/TO ratio, and defends his position. Everything I want.
Favorite targets:
Delon Wright - Good size at 6'5, shot .47/.37/.83, takes care of the ball, 2.5 A/TO ratio, good defensive #'s, going into 4th year of rookie deal.
Tyus Jones - Shoots, .46/.35/.88, plays D, 2.3 stl/36 and takes care of the ball, 4.1 A/TO ratio, also going into 4th year of rookie deal.
Other options:
Jerian Grant - Good size at 6'4, needs to shoot better, .42/.32/.75, takes care of the ball, 3.8 A/TO ratio, another 4th year of rookie deal guy.
Caris Lavert - Wing with some pg skills, 5.8 Ast/36, size at 6'7, ok shooter .44/.35/.71
Spencer Dinwiddie - Great size at 6'6, needs to shoot better, .39/.33/.81, good PG skills, 8.2 Ast/36, 4.1 A/TO ratio
Josh Richardson - Not a PG, but a skilled wing, 3.1 Ast/36 and 1.6 A/TO ratio, great defender, shot .45/.38/.85
If San Antonio doesn't want them in Kawhi trades:
Markelle Fultz - Great size, tons of potential if the shot returns, even still, 14/6/8 per 36 with a 3.1 A/TO ratio
Lonzo Ball - 6'6, fills the stat sheet 11/7/8 with 2 stl, 1 BLK per 36. Very good advanced stats on D, 2.7 A/TO ratio. Needs to learn how to shoot.
No Tyreke Evans?
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:12 pm
by Hermen
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:55 pm
Justise Winslow - Very good advanced D stats, shoots 38% from 3, and can create a bit, 3.2 Ast/36 and 2.0 A/TO ratio
When I read this I thought there was no way he shot that well and went to check it. I apologize for doubting you. But I will continue to doubt his shooting
Great defender though, had some injury issues that maybe slowed his improvement. A nice target but I would be surprised if Miami traded him.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:15 pm
by Split T
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:09 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:38 pm
Ok here's my trade target list for ball handlers
Big name targets:
Kemba Walker - Best overall player on this list, don't love the fit. He's a great scorer, but I'm looking for a value target and want most of the value to come from Shooting/Defense/Passing
Terry Rozier - Not sure what it would cost, but I'd listen at the right price.
Jeremy Lin - Heard Zach Lowe mention him a few times in regards to us. I'd rather pass, but if we've got no other options and the price is minimal, I guess.
Pat Beverley - Not really a PG, his defensive #'s have slipped, spot up shooter is all he offers. Probably a pass from me.
Darren Collison - Not likely available, but led NBA in 3% at 47%, takes care of ball, 4.4 A/TO ratio, and defends his position. Everything I want.
Favorite targets:
Delon Wright - Good size at 6'5, shot .47/.37/.83, takes care of the ball, 2.5 A/TO ratio, good defensive #'s, going into 4th year of rookie deal.
Tyus Jones - Shoots, .46/.35/.88, plays D, 2.3 stl/36 and takes care of the ball, 4.1 A/TO ratio, also going into 4th year of rookie deal.
Other options:
Jerian Grant - Good size at 6'4, needs to shoot better, .42/.32/.75, takes care of the ball, 3.8 A/TO ratio, another 4th year of rookie deal guy.
Caris Lavert - Wing with some pg skills, 5.8 Ast/36, size at 6'7, ok shooter .44/.35/.71
Spencer Dinwiddie - Great size at 6'6, needs to shoot better, .39/.33/.81, good PG skills, 8.2 Ast/36, 4.1 A/TO ratio
Josh Richardson - Not a PG, but a skilled wing, 3.1 Ast/36 and 1.6 A/TO ratio, great defender, shot .45/.38/.85
If San Antonio doesn't want them in Kawhi trades:
Markelle Fultz - Great size, tons of potential if the shot returns, even still, 14/6/8 per 36 with a 3.1 A/TO ratio
Lonzo Ball - 6'6, fills the stat sheet 11/7/8 with 2 stl, 1 BLK per 36. Very good advanced stats on D, 2.7 A/TO ratio. Needs to learn how to shoot.
No Tyreke Evans?
No need to trade for him, he's a FA
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:16 pm
by Split T
https://twitter.com/KellanOlson/status/1012485470461104129
Interesting stuff from Lowe article on Suns
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:30 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
I'd be pissed if they traded JJ after one season for any of those PGs mentioned.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:38 pm
by TOO
Yes, lets trade Jackson for one of the NBAs middle of the pack PGs. I'd love the ability to overpay a guy like Conley, Walker, or Lowry. That'd be wonderful.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:45 pm
by Split T
I don't think Zach Lowe is expecting that... Mostly just stating that we don't really have those in-between assets. Bender/Chriss aren't good enough prospects to get the Walkers and Conleys of the NBA, but Booker/Ayton/Bridges/Jackson are too good of prospects.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:47 pm
by specialsauce
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:16 pm
https://twitter.com/KellanOlson/status/1012485470461104129
Interesting stuff from Lowe article on Suns
Jesus what a horrible piece. That is pure trash. Jackson for that garbage?
Only way I’m trading JJ for a PG is if the names are Westbrook, Steph Curry, Kyrie Irving, Ben Simmons, or Luka Doncic now that we have Bridges.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:49 pm
by O_Gardino
I notice Lowe doesn't mention Warren at all. The league really does forget that he exists every offseason. Maybe he should publish a 1 on 0 workout video.
Anybody feel like betting that playing for Igor and sharing the floor with Booker and Ayton makes our garbage guys look a lot better? I'm halfway there, but I would like a better option at point guard.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:52 pm
by Split T
I think there is some overreaction happening here. The article doesn't say we're doing it, it doesn't even say we should do it. He's basically saying we aren't getting Kemba with crap offers based around Bender or Chriss.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:54 pm
by Split T
O_Gardino wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:49 pm
I notice Lowe doesn't mention Warren at all. The league really does forget that he exists every offseason. Maybe he should publish a 1 on 0 workout video.
Anybody feel like betting that playing for Igor and sharing the floor with Booker and Ayton makes our garbage guys look a lot better? I'm halfway there, but I would like a better option at point guard.
I don't think Warren has much value. He's not on a bad contract, but it's not a value deal either. In hindsight, we shouldn't have signed that extension as I don't see Warren getting 12 million in this market. He's a wing that doesn't shoot or defend...not exactly what teams are looking for these days.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:54 pm
by INFORMER
I wonder if Darren Collison 's guilty plea for domestic battery in 2016 would prevent the Suns from being interested.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:30 pm
by Hermen
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:52 pm
I think there is some overreaction happening here. The article doesn't say we're doing it, it doesn't even say we should do it. He's basically saying we aren't getting Kemba with crap offers based around Bender or Chriss.
He even says he doubts Phoenix does it. Thumbs up for all your posts on this page.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:58 pm
by Indy
Hermen wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:30 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:52 pm
I think there is some overreaction happening here. The article doesn't say we're doing it, it doesn't even say we should do it. He's basically saying we aren't getting Kemba with crap offers based around Bender or Chriss.
He even says he doubts Phoenix does it. Thumbs up for all your posts on this page.
Yes. Seconded. Thank you and thanks for calling the overreaction for what it is.
Re: 2018 Suns Offseason News
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:58 pm
by Indy
INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:54 pm
I wonder if Darren Collison 's guilty plea for domestic battery in 2016 would prevent the Suns from being interested.
I hope so.