Are you saying good FT shooting bigs generally don’t draw many fouls?
Did you see me say that anywhere? I stated pretty clearly why I think he didn't draw a ton of fouls. Would you rather he catch the ball and gather himself, drop the ball below his waist ala Len and try to draw a foul?
So your saying that's the only way for bigs to draw fouls (unless its hack-a-player)?
You're*
I am putting you back on ignore, never should've taken you off. Ignorance.
You'll come up with anything to defend Ayton. Such a terrible argument that you make in which you're basically saying that he doesn't draw fouls because he doesn't play like Len or doesn't draw fouls because he's a good FT shooter that doesn't deal with hack a player.
What about Embiid? He doesn't play like Alex ****** Len and is a damn good FT shooter and draws 7 FTs a game. Or Cousins? Or Davis? Or idk, the many, many others?
Reason is he doesn't play physical and through the contact like them. His game is more finesse than power. Almost too finesse for a guy his size.
Don't use these weak examples to make your point. Admit that Ayton isn't a perfect player and has flaws (just like Doncic, Bamba and every other player in the draft). If you can't respond with good counter arguments then yeah putting me on ignore is your best option.
I'm not defending Ayton in some weird white knight sense like you think I am. You make it out like he's some finesse weenie and ANYONE who has seen him play will tell you otherwise. You dont shoot 61% being soft, he got to the line 5.5 per game, I don't see the problem here, the kid only averaged 13 shots per contest. That 1.5 fta per game he's missing is real big issue I guess. You spend your time trying to drag him down because he's not your favorite prospect, he's not mine either, I have him behind both Doncic and Bamba, but I can see the positives, you cannot. His warts are on the defensive end, nobody denies that, you are going out of your way to nitpick his offensive game, which is insane, he had like a 130 ORtg, gimme a break. Godspeed, enjoy your delusions.
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Did you see me say that anywhere? I stated pretty clearly why I think he didn't draw a ton of fouls. Would you rather he catch the ball and gather himself, drop the ball below his waist ala Len and try to draw a foul?
So your saying that's the only way for bigs to draw fouls (unless its hack-a-player)?
You're*
I am putting you back on ignore, never should've taken you off. Ignorance.
You'll come up with anything to defend Ayton. Such a terrible argument that you make in which you're basically saying that he doesn't draw fouls because he doesn't play like Len or doesn't draw fouls because he's a good FT shooter that doesn't deal with hack a player.
What about Embiid? He doesn't play like Alex ****** Len and is a damn good FT shooter and draws 7 FTs a game. Or Cousins? Or Davis? Or idk, the many, many others?
Reason is he doesn't play physical and through the contact like them. His game is more finesse than power. Almost too finesse for a guy his size.
Don't use these weak examples to make your point. Admit that Ayton isn't a perfect player and has flaws (just like Doncic, Bamba and every other player in the draft). If you can't respond with good counter arguments then yeah putting me on ignore is your best option.
I'm not defending Ayton in some weird white knight sense like you think I am. You make it out like he's some finesse weenie and ANYONE who has seen him play will tell you otherwise. You dont shoot 61% being soft, he got to the line 5.5 per game, I don't see the problem here, the kid only averaged 13 shots per contest. That 1.5 fta per game he's missing is real big issue I guess. You spend your time trying to drag him down because he's not your favorite prospect, he's not mine either, I have him behind both Doncic and Bamba, but I can see the positives, you cannot. His warts are on the defensive end, nobody denies that, you are going out of your way to nitpick his offensive game, which is insane, he had like a 130 ORtg, gimme a break. Godspeed, enjoy your delusions.
Nitpick his offensive game? Find me anothe post in which I said anything bad about his offense besides this about his FT shooting...
All I said was for a guy his size and athleticism (he’s an extremely athletic guy/freak of nature, I give him that), he should’ve got to the FT line more at the college level where guys are generally much less athletic and size imposing compared to the pros.
You disagree, that’s fine. I enjoy having discussion over disagreements, counter arguments, etc. Even if I attack Ayton, that’s not attacking you. If you want to make this personal, that’s on you.
Re: With the FIRST pick in the 2018 NBA draft, the Phoenix Suns select...
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:31 am
by bajanguy008
Hey anyone saw the SC Featured on Luka ?
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She should consider herself fortunate if she still has a job after commenting publicly about a customer like this. It's gotten other people fired.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:23 am
by Vladimir_Taltos
I hate to tell her, but Ayton should not have yet received a multi million dollar pay day. Granted, if your charging $300 on a bar/food bill, that's one thing...but if you're going to do that, a decent tip should follow...
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I hate to tell her, but Ayton should not have yet received a multi million dollar pay day. Granted, if your charging $300 on a bar/food bill, that's one thing...but if you're going to do that, a decent tip should follow...
In my experience, if the bill is that large, gratuity is usually included, but it sounds like this wasn't the case as she put him on blast.
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I hate to tell her, but Ayton should not have yet received a multi million dollar pay day. Granted, if your charging $300 on a bar/food bill, that's one thing...but if you're going to do that, a decent tip should follow...
He may have already received that $100k pay day from Arizona though...
Re: With the FIRST pick in the 2018 NBA draft, the Phoenix Suns select...
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:21 am
by Cap
Maybe he just sucks at arithmetic.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:59 am
by ShelC
Doncic is my pick. Not convinced about Ayton in general but feel like we're going to take him to fill a need.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:09 am
by O_Gardino
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:11 am
by O_Gardino
Doncic has dropped in The Ringer's mock draft all the way to #3. It seems impossible, but just maybe he falls far enough that we can trade up for him.
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Honest question, should I be disappointed if (or is it when?) the Suns pick Ayton?
I don't think I've ever had this much cognitive dissonance with the draft before.
Depends on what you want. If you want the Suns to develop quickly into a winning team and a contender and have a play style of ball movement and everyone getting involved then yes.
If you want the Suns to have a player who racks up a lot of personal accolades and highlight plays in mostly losses (some call this empty stats) then no.
Glad you've got it figured out.
Whoops, I forgot. I edited and made the change.
Would it help if I just included that in my sig since it's not obvious enough on a message forum that unless something is being stated as factual, it's an opinion?
I don't think so. You stated it as fact.
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Are you saying good FT shooting bigs generally don’t draw many fouls?
Did you see me say that anywhere? I stated pretty clearly why I think he didn't draw a ton of fouls. Would you rather he catch the ball and gather himself, drop the ball below his waist ala Len and try to draw a foul?
So your saying that's the only way for bigs to draw fouls (unless its hack-a-player)?
You're*
I am putting you back on ignore, never should've taken you off. Ignorance.
You'll come up with anything to defend Ayton. Such a terrible argument that you make in which you're basically saying that he doesn't draw fouls because he doesn't play like Len or doesn't draw fouls because he's a good FT shooter that doesn't deal with hack a player.
What about Embiid? He doesn't play like Alex ****** Len and is a damn good FT shooter and draws 7 FTs a game. Or Cousins? Or Davis? Or idk, the many, many others?
Reason is he doesn't play physical and through the contact like them. His game is more finesse than power. Almost too finesse for a guy his size.
Don't use these weak examples to make your point. Admit that Ayton isn't a perfect player and has flaws (just like Doncic, Bamba and every other player in the draft). If you can't respond with good counter arguments then yeah putting me on ignore is your best option.
You can't compare NBA player foul rates to one year of a player's college career. It's different officiating and a different play style. I don't imagine that Ayton will get fouled less than most other bigs in the NBA. I like that he takes the ball strong to the hoop and that hack-an-Ayton won't be a possibility.
Re: With the FIRST pick in the 2018 NBA draft, the Phoenix Suns select...
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:47 am
by Aztec Sunsfan
We got the freaking Nº1 Pick overall in a quality draft, and still going at each other’s throats. We truly are incapable of managing stress, such a negativity spilling fan base.
Re: With the FIRST pick in the 2018 NBA draft, the Phoenix Suns select...
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:02 am
by Superbone
OG, thanks for the Dime Drop video on Ayton. He lays it out really well. Positives and negatives. There is no denying that Ayton needs work on defense and rebound positioning (it will become even more important in the NBA). He seems like a smart kid so I hope he has the desire to shore up those areas. I'll be happy with either Ayton or Doncic on draft day.
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He wants to play point guard and have the ball in his hands. His favorite player is LeBron and it sounds like he wants to have a LeBron type impact on his team. Of course, he doesn't have the Greek god body of LeBron so how he impacts the game would be a little different.
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Honest question, should I be disappointed if (or is it when?) the Suns pick Ayton?
I don't think I've ever had this much cognitive dissonance with the draft before.
Depends on what you want. If you want the Suns to develop quickly into a winning team and a contender and have a play style of ball movement and everyone getting involved then yes.
If you want the Suns to have a player who racks up a lot of personal accolades and highlight plays in mostly losses (some call this empty stats) then no.
Glad you've got it figured out.
Whoops, I forgot. I edited and made the change.
Would it help if I just included that in my sig since it's not obvious enough on a message forum that unless something is being stated as factual, it's an opinion?
I don't think so. You stated it as fact.
Well if I put “everything above is my opinion unless explicitly stated as fact” in my sig then that could solve everything....
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We got the freaking Nº1 Pick overall in a quality draft, and still going at each other’s throats. We truly are incapable of managing stress, such a negativity spilling fan base.
We have disagreements and sometimes feel strongly about them. I don’t see a lot of posts crossing the bounds of civility.
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