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inf wants to waive lin though... if teodosic is unavailable, lin would make a nice backup pg acquisition.

2016 seems forever ago when he was named to the Select Team who were invited to briefly train and scrimmage with the Olympic team. I remember how most if not all of us here were eagerly tuning in to see how our new 19yr old face of the franchise was doing in that environment . It honestly slipped my mind that the new player pool of guys start training from this summer and I do tend to agree with this tweet even though it will only be for a couple days in July
https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/1012824518635601920

if the choice is between patrick beverley or milos teodosic

Patrick Beverley
11 Starts, 5 Wins, 6 Losses... clippers were sub .500 when he was playing
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... melog/2018

Milos Teodosic
36 Starts, 29 Wins, 16 Losses... ie clippers had a .644 record when he was on the floor. +13 wins above .500
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... melog/2018

OTOH...
Lou Williams
19 Starts, 42 Wins, 37 Losses... .531
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... melog/2018

That is interesting information, but I don't think a team's W/L record with a particular PG necessarily indicates which PG is better. I'd prefer to look at their individual stats per 36 minutes.

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:30 am

That is interesting information, but I don't think a team's W/L record with a particular PG necessarily indicates which PG is better. I'd prefer to look at their individual stats per 36 minutes.

re point guards, individual stats are important, but how a PG affects his team/teammates performance is even more important. and phoenix needs a true point guard, not one who is known more as a defensive specialist that spends most of his time playing off the ball to a de facto PG (harden).

Superbone wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:01 am

I like Dinwiddie but is he more than a shot maker? Could he run our offense?

Of the pg's I've looked at as possible options he's one of the better passers. I think like 8 assists per 36 minutes and a A/TO ratio of over 4

Dinwiddie's solid and has been coached up by Atkinson but is he a starter or another backup or a backup we think can start?

I'd be interested in VanFleet. His overall stats are so-so, but his RPM is ridiculously good (10th in the NBA). 12-14M per year though is way too high, especially when we're already paying another PG that kind of money. Much better than average defensively and offensively, and spaces the floor with 41.4% 3 point shooting.

According to Peltons estimates, VanFleet is worth about $10-11M, if you expect him to play 32 minutes per night.

Wormwood wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:40 am

According to Peltons estimates, VanFleet is worth about $10-11M, if you expect him to play 32 minutes per night.

If 10 million is fair market value, what do we need to overpay to ensure Toronto doesn't match?

Will Van Vleet be able to continue those numbers with increased minutes? I guess I'd rather have Ball if possible or Evans who you possibly don't need to overpay to keep from matching.

Fred has a positive DBPM and his VORP is 1.5 which is fairly good for a backup. DWS is 2.0 so he can defend his position which is sorely needed next to Devin.

I don't know if you really get into advanced stuff like CPW but according to Pelton the average cost per win for free agents last year was $2.8M. It's not an exact science because you're worth whatever someone will pay you and the market this year is tight. But with a WS of 4.7 last year that would mean FVV was worth a salary of $13M. I believe that's where people are getting the $12-14M number from.

Edit: Shoot, Worm beat me to it. While I was doing my calculations I hadn't finished reading the thread. I'm sorry buddy.

jonh wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:50 am

If 10 million is fair market value, what do we need to overpay to ensure Toronto doesn't match?

Toronto is kind of over a barrel here. They are currently looking at paying the tax and can only sign him with the ridiculous 9/9/15/15 (or higher on the last 2 years) method. So you have to factor in what $9M would really cost them this year. They don't want to be paying him that kind of money in 2 years unless they dub him Lowry's heir apparent.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:01 am

I like Dinwiddie but is he more than a shot maker? Could he run our offense?

Averaged 6.6 apg to 1.6 tpg. That's over a 4 to 1 assist to turnover ratio.

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:03 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:01 am

I like Dinwiddie but is he more than a shot maker? Could he run our offense?

Averaged 6.6 apg to 1.6 tpg. That's over a 4 to 1 assist to turnover ratio.

Sounds good to me. I guess good passes don't make highlight reels. I watched his top 10 highlights from this last season and it was him hitting a bunch of buzzer beaters and bombs. What would it take to get him?

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013148984666451969

Not a surprise...he can come back at the minimum if he wants...do we think there is a market for him? Be interesting if he's on our summer league team.

bajanguy008 wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:41 am

2016 seems forever ago when he was named to the Select Team who were invited to briefly train and scrimmage with the Olympic team. I remember how most if not all of us here were eagerly tuning in to see how our new 19yr old face of the franchise was doing in that environment . It honestly slipped my mind that the new player pool of guys start training from this summer and I do tend to agree with this tweet even though it will only be for a couple days in July
https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/1012824518635601920

From everything I've seen and heard about Booker, he's going to be showing the other guys how to put in work.

I think we're eventually waiving Reed, Williams, and Harrison too

PG Knight, Okobo
SG Booker, Daniels
SF Jackson, Warren, Bridges
PF Bender, Chriss, Dudley
C Ayton, Chandler

Two way - King and Peters?

We've got 3 roster spots open, gonna be a fascinating summer as I doubt those 12 gauranteed contracts are all on the roster come fall.

I've changed my mind. I'd honestly rather not have Ulis back. He continued to create shots for himself, and he never figured out a way to get the other guys involved consistently. Plus, he has been our starter for 2 seasons of tanking. I don't know how guys like Warren (or whoever is left) is going to feel about getting back on the court with him.