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Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:04 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:52 am

iLLmatic wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:20 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:52 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:36 pm

You guys still on Bender Island are crazy to me, haha...granted I still own property on Chriss Cove, but at least he’s actually producing in nba games.

Bender IMO is the worst draft pick we’ve made that I was around for. Based on how high he went and what he was in the nba. I could be talked into Josh Jackson if you factor in strength of draft. But Jackson still has a shot at being an nba player.

When you look at realistic other options people knew would be good taken right after us, Josh is the worst pick (but I agree it is close). Literally anyone taken after Josh in the lottery would have been a better pick, with the possible exception of Ntilikina.

I guess same could be said of Bender with 1 or 2 exceptions...

Both were awful, awful picks.

I remember Gambo and Burns doing somersaults over that draft thinking McDonough killed it. Whoopsie.

Not just them. There were TONS of people here that thought it was great. I could be wrong, but I thought the majority of this site thought the consensus pick at 4 was Bender.

I think he was for the most part. I wasn’t a Bender fan, but I did want Chriss at 4. Well in reality I wanted Hield but I knew we weren’t taking him.

Pretty sure Inf gave that draft an F, so he got it right.

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:03 am

In2ition wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:42 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:02 am

I'd be happy with Nesmith at #10.

Tbh, I would be highly skeptical of that pick. I don't like it that he makes Kelly Oubre look like a Steve Nash level of a passer. 1:2 Assist to Turnover ratio, and he's going to come to Phx and be expected to move the ball as a 4th or 5th option? Skeptical

I wouldn't expect him to move the ball. That's not his game, just like I wouldn't be expeting him to come in and dunk over poeple. But his shooting would create gravity and he defends. He is not my only 'realistic' target (Jalen Smith, Patrick Williams, Kira) but I believe we can do a lot worse at 10, especially if Oubre is traded.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:20 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:03 am

In2ition wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:42 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:02 am

I'd be happy with Nesmith at #10.

Tbh, I would be highly skeptical of that pick. I don't like it that he makes Kelly Oubre look like a Steve Nash level of a passer. 1:2 Assist to Turnover ratio, and he's going to come to Phx and be expected to move the ball as a 4th or 5th option? Skeptical

I wouldn't expect him to move the ball. That's not his game, just like I wouldn't be expeting him to come in and dunk over poeple. But his shooting would create gravity and he defends. He is not my only 'realistic' target (Jalen Smith, Patrick Williams, Kira) but I believe we can do a lot worse at 10, especially if Oubre is traded.

Here is the problem with that particular point. When you are in the playoffs, the opposing team WILL take away your first option, which is shooting for Nesmith. If he can't shoot, we already know he's not a good passer, so what does he have as a 2nd option? I can't recall him being very good at almost anything else, so that means he is going to be unplayable.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:20 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:03 am

In2ition wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:42 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:02 am

I'd be happy with Nesmith at #10.

Tbh, I would be highly skeptical of that pick. I don't like it that he makes Kelly Oubre look like a Steve Nash level of a passer. 1:2 Assist to Turnover ratio, and he's going to come to Phx and be expected to move the ball as a 4th or 5th option? Skeptical

I wouldn't expect him to move the ball. That's not his game, just like I wouldn't be expeting him to come in and dunk over poeple. But his shooting would create gravity and he defends. He is not my only 'realistic' target (Jalen Smith, Patrick Williams, Kira) but I believe we can do a lot worse at 10, especially if Oubre is traded.

Here is the problem with that particular point. When you are in the playoffs, the opposing team WILL take away your first option, which is shooting for Nesmith. If he can't shoot, we already know he's not a good passer, so what does he have as a 2nd option? I can't recall him being very good at almost anything else, so that means he is going to be unplayable.

ShelC wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:30 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:20 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:03 am

In2ition wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:42 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:02 am

I'd be happy with Nesmith at #10.

Tbh, I would be highly skeptical of that pick. I don't like it that he makes Kelly Oubre look like a Steve Nash level of a passer. 1:2 Assist to Turnover ratio, and he's going to come to Phx and be expected to move the ball as a 4th or 5th option? Skeptical

I wouldn't expect him to move the ball. That's not his game, just like I wouldn't be expeting him to come in and dunk over poeple. But his shooting would create gravity and he defends. He is not my only 'realistic' target (Jalen Smith, Patrick Williams, Kira) but I believe we can do a lot worse at 10, especially if Oubre is traded.

Here is the problem with that particular point. When you are in the playoffs, the opposing team WILL take away your first option, which is shooting for Nesmith. If he can't shoot, we already know he's not a good passer, so what does he have as a 2nd option? I can't recall him being very good at almost anything else, so that means he is going to be unplayable.

QRich and Raja had the same issues. Great spot up shooters, but once teams started running them off the 3pt line they were much less effective. That's why I get Jones wanting to go after guys who are triple threats and not just specialists. Even Cam showed some off the dribble ability in college and got better throughout the season and in the bubble.

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:04 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:20 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:03 am

In2ition wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:42 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:02 am

I'd be happy with Nesmith at #10.

Tbh, I would be highly skeptical of that pick. I don't like it that he makes Kelly Oubre look like a Steve Nash level of a passer. 1:2 Assist to Turnover ratio, and he's going to come to Phx and be expected to move the ball as a 4th or 5th option? Skeptical

I wouldn't expect him to move the ball. That's not his game, just like I wouldn't be expeting him to come in and dunk over poeple. But his shooting would create gravity and he defends. He is not my only 'realistic' target (Jalen Smith, Patrick Williams, Kira) but I believe we can do a lot worse at 10, especially if Oubre is traded.

Here is the problem with that particular point. When you are in the playoffs, the opposing team WILL take away your first option, which is shooting for Nesmith. If he can't shoot, we already know he's not a good passer, so what does he have as a 2nd option? I can't recall him being very good at almost anything else, so that means he is going to be unplayable.

You may be right, but unplayable is pretty strong. Still, we are talking about a #10 pick; it's on the stars to playmake enough so the spot up shooters have space to put up good shots. I'm open to other candidates in any case.

jonh wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:25 pm

Killian Hayes said that he has not had any contact with the Suns.

https://twitter.com/DuaneRankin/status/ ... 4525317120

Kevin zimmerman thinks we are all going to be angry when Jones drafts Bane over Hayes:

https://twitter.com/KZimmermanAZ/status ... 0631372800

In2ition wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:42 pm

His shooting levels were great this yr, but it was also just a 14 game sample against not the best competition.

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:38 pm

Im terms of win now, I think Nesmith is ready to go. He can be a high volume shooter off the bench. Otherwise I’m fine using the 10th pick to nab another established player or sign and trade.

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:46 pm

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:38 pm

Im terms of win now, I think Nesmith is ready to go. He can be a high volume shooter off the bench. Otherwise I’m fine using the 10th pick to nab another established player or sign and trade.

The Suns appear to be trying to compete for real and that is going to require stars on huge contracts so it needs to be balanced out somehow. I think strategically we should walk from this draft with at least one rookie, unless a move is too good to refuse. If you hit the pick you get a contributor for less than the MLE.

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:46 pm

Drewsprocket wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:38 pm

Im terms of win now, I think Nesmith is ready to go. He can be a high volume shooter off the bench. Otherwise I’m fine using the 10th pick to nab another established player or sign and trade.

The Suns appear to be trying to compete for real and that is going to require stars on huge contracts so it needs to be balanced out somehow. I think strategically we should walk from this draft with at least one rookie, unless a move is too good to refuse. If you hit the pick you get a contributor for less than the MLE.