Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by MightyMoog » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:54 am

Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:42 am
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It's an interesting exercise to compare Mikal's rookie season as a 22-year old to Dragan Bender's 2nd season as a 21 year old. Pretty statistically similar.
Then you watch them both and realize one is an NBA player and the other isn’t.
Couldn't agree more. Chriss is twice the player Bender is, hence why he's averaging 2 minutes to Bender's 1. I still think we traded the wrong prospect.
Mikal looks like a competent rookie, Bender doesn't look like he should be on an nba floor. He has shown that he can do nothing well. Cant shoot, can't drive, can't rebound, can't really play defense.

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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Split T » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:45 am

Shabazz wrote:
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It's an interesting exercise to compare Mikal's rookie season as a 22-year old to Dragan Bender's 2nd season as a 21 year old. Pretty statistically similar.
If you just look at points, assists, and 3pt %. Bridges is at 2 steals per 36...Bender was at .4

Neither do a whole lot offensively outside of an occasional spot up 3, but Bridges does a lot defensively. Bender didn’t really do anything on offense or defense. A more interesting exercise is to see that Bridges is starting as a rookie and Bender can’t get off the bench in year 3.

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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Split T » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:47 am

MightyMoog wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:54 am
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:42 am
Shabazz wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:13 am
It's an interesting exercise to compare Mikal's rookie season as a 22-year old to Dragan Bender's 2nd season as a 21 year old. Pretty statistically similar.
Then you watch them both and realize one is an NBA player and the other isn’t.
Couldn't agree more. Chriss is twice the player Bender is, hence why he's averaging 2 minutes to Bender's 1. I still think we traded the wrong prospect.
Mikal looks like a competent rookie, Bender doesn't look like he should be on an nba floor. He has shown that he can do nothing well. Cant shoot, can't drive, can't rebound, can't really play defense.
Chriss actually did things on the court. Bender never did anything. Although, a lot of things Chriss did were bad, haha. Neither were good picks, but I agree that Chriss was better.

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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by ShelC » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:50 am

I certainly don't think trading Chriss over Bender was the wrong move. In reality, neither are players (yet) and weren't going to help us but Chriss needed to be moved because of his attitude. Still, it sucks we got nothing from either and the fact we run SFs at PF and signed Acy to get minutes up front says everything about Bender's prospects.

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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:12 am

Folks have to let go of Chriss in the same way I need to let go of Ulis. Even if what we now have is worse, these guys were bad, and it isn't a bad thing that we let them go.

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Post by Split T » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:23 am

What we have now, at least those that actually play, are not worse than Chriss and Ulis. I’m much happier playing guys like Oubre and Melton. Chriss and Ulis were both terrible last year.

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Post by Sad Suns Fan » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:52 am

2 guys in the top 10, neither of which may see a 2nd NBA contract. Oof.
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Post by carey » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:05 pm

I disagree that Bender can't shoot. He was 38% from 3 for like 90% of the season last year and it dropped 2 percentage points at the tail end because of a slump from outside. All games where he played with a s*** line-up, no Booker, and Josh Jackson getting to do whatever he wanted all game long. Remember that he was only 20 last year. We judge him harshly because he was a #4 pick and let us down. But if he was some guy we just signed as a UDFA we'd be pulling for him like we do all the other underdogs. It is what it is for him at this point but I strongly feel that a team with a good player development staff will turn him into a solid NBA player.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Superbone » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:12 pm

Split T wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:47 am
MightyMoog wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:54 am
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:42 am
Shabazz wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:13 am
It's an interesting exercise to compare Mikal's rookie season as a 22-year old to Dragan Bender's 2nd season as a 21 year old. Pretty statistically similar.
Then you watch them both and realize one is an NBA player and the other isn’t.
Couldn't agree more. Chriss is twice the player Bender is, hence why he's averaging 2 minutes to Bender's 1. I still think we traded the wrong prospect.
Mikal looks like a competent rookie, Bender doesn't look like he should be on an nba floor. He has shown that he can do nothing well. Cant shoot, can't drive, can't rebound, can't really play defense.
Chriss actually did things on the court. Bender never did anything. Although, a lot of things Chriss did were bad, haha. Neither were good picks, but I agree that Chriss was better.
Saying which is better, cow pies or dog doo doo, isn't a very good use of one's time.
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Post by Split T » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:13 pm

Bender has some tools. Good IQ, decent spot up shooter. He just never did anything. He didn’t make many mistakes, but he just didn’t do anything. He needed to be in Europe or the G league where he was asked to shoulder some responsibility and develop into an actual player. I don’t have anything against the guy. He should go to Europe and play for a few seasons.

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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Superbone » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:16 pm

ShelC wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:50 am
I certainly don't think trading Chriss over Bender was the wrong move. In reality, neither are players (yet) and weren't going to help us but Chriss needed to be moved because of his attitude. Still, it sucks we got nothing from either and the fact we run SFs at PF and signed Acy to get minutes up front says everything about Bender's prospects.
We got our starting PG for Chriss (and Knight).
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Post by ShelC » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:31 pm

I was referring more to on-court production and what was expected out of them as 4th and 8th picks in the draft. But also consider we gave up Bogdan Bogdanovic for Chriss.

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Post by Superbone » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:48 pm

ShelC wrote:I was referring more to on-court production and what was expected out of them as 4th and 8th picks in the draft. But also consider we gave up Bogdan Bogdanovic for Chriss.
Oof. Yeah, that really hurt. He’s playing really well and he would have been a great backup SG for Book.
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Post by Split T » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:36 pm

I’d honestly rather have Melton than bogdonovich, so I’m fine with how things turned out.

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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Sad Suns Fan » Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:57 pm

I was bummed when we drafted Okobo over Melton at the time, glad to have acquired him. Lots of people wanted Marcus Smart, if we're patient, we may well just be rewarded with our own version of him.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Split T » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:06 pm

TheOriginalOriginal wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:57 pm
I was bummed when we drafted Okobo over Melton at the time, glad to have acquired him. Lots of people wanted Marcus Smart, if we're patient, we may well just be rewarded with our own version of him.
Hopefully one with better shot selection

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Post by Cap » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:30 pm

Split T wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:06 pm
TheOriginalOriginal wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:57 pm
I was bummed when we drafted Okobo over Melton at the time, glad to have acquired him. Lots of people wanted Marcus Smart, if we're patient, we may well just be rewarded with our own version of him.
Hopefully one with better shot selection
IOW, a smart Smart.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Superbone » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm

Cap wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:30 pm
Split T wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:06 pm
TheOriginalOriginal wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:57 pm
I was bummed when we drafted Okobo over Melton at the time, glad to have acquired him. Lots of people wanted Marcus Smart, if we're patient, we may well just be rewarded with our own version of him.
Hopefully one with better shot selection
IOW, a smart Smart.
That doesn't get hurt. We want to avoid a smart Smart smart.
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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by JCSunsfan » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:30 pm

Superbone wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:59 pm
Cap wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:30 pm
Split T wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:06 pm
TheOriginalOriginal wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:57 pm
I was bummed when we drafted Okobo over Melton at the time, glad to have acquired him. Lots of people wanted Marcus Smart, if we're patient, we may well just be rewarded with our own version of him.
Hopefully one with better shot selection
IOW, a smart Smart.
That doesn't get hurt. We want to avoid a smart Smart smart.
Don't you mean a smarting smart Smart.

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Re: Suns News: Week 13 1/7-1/13

Post by Cap » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:38 pm

I’m going to have this stuck in my head all day.

JJ will be better than KP when all is said and done [in 2020]. Mark it. — AIG, with Indy betting against

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