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Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:19 am**

Time: 5:00 pm AZ (4:00 pm PT/7:00 pm ET)
Place: Quicken Loans Arena, Cleveland, OH
TV: FSAZ/NBALP

Suns need to seize their opportunity and either win tonight in Cleveland or their next game in Atlanta. Otherwise, that losing streak could get even uglier! Let's hope we see a revitalized team after the all-star break rather than the sad sack Suns who got embarrassed back to back leading into the break.

Go Suns!!!

Dis • cuss

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:46 am**

Superbone wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:19 am
Suns need to seize their opportunity and either win tonight in Cleveland or their next game in Atlanta. Otherwise, that losing streak could get even uglier!

At 15, we’ve already tied the franchise record, set late last season. The worst:

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Rk           Team      First       Last Games
1    Phoenix Suns 2018-03-02 2018-04-01    15
2    Phoenix Suns 2019-01-15 2019-02-13    15
3    Phoenix Suns 1996-04-21 1996-11-26    14
4    Phoenix Suns 2016-01-26 2016-02-25    13
5    Phoenix Suns 2017-03-12 2017-04-05    13

Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/21/2019.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:51 am**

Cap wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:46 am

Superbone wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:19 am
Suns need to seize their opportunity and either win tonight in Cleveland or their next game in Atlanta. Otherwise, that losing streak could get even uglier!
At 15, we’ve already tied the franchise record, set late last season. The worst:
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Rk           Team      First       Last Games
1    Phoenix Suns 2018-03-02 2018-04-01    15
2    Phoenix Suns 2019-01-15 2019-02-13    15
3    Phoenix Suns 1996-04-21 1996-11-26    14
4    Phoenix Suns 2016-01-26 2016-02-25    13
5    Phoenix Suns 2017-03-12 2017-04-05    13
Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/21/2019.

One each of the last four seasons. You have to admire their consistency!

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:54 am**

The Bobster wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:51 am
Cap wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:46 am

Superbone wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:19 am
Suns need to seize their opportunity and either win tonight in Cleveland or their next game in Atlanta. Otherwise, that losing streak could get even uglier!
At 15, we’ve already tied the franchise record, set late last season. The worst:
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Rk           Team      First       Last Games
1    Phoenix Suns 2018-03-02 2018-04-01    15
2    Phoenix Suns 2019-01-15 2019-02-13    15
3    Phoenix Suns 1996-04-21 1996-11-26    14
4    Phoenix Suns 2016-01-26 2016-02-25    13
5    Phoenix Suns 2017-03-12 2017-04-05    13
Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/21/2019.
One each of the last four seasons. You have to admire their consistency!

And the one that wasn't recent (1996) is actually split across two seasons, so I don't even count it.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:59 am**

Indy wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:54 am
The Bobster wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:51 am
Cap wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:46 am

Superbone wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:19 am
Suns need to seize their opportunity and either win tonight in Cleveland or their next game in Atlanta. Otherwise, that losing streak could get even uglier!
At 15, we’ve already tied the franchise record, set late last season. The worst:
Code: Select all
                                             
Rk           Team      First       Last Games
1    Phoenix Suns 2018-03-02 2018-04-01    15
2    Phoenix Suns 2019-01-15 2019-02-13    15
3    Phoenix Suns 1996-04-21 1996-11-26    14
4    Phoenix Suns 2016-01-26 2016-02-25    13
5    Phoenix Suns 2017-03-12 2017-04-05    13
Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/21/2019.
One each of the last four seasons. You have to admire their consistency!
And the one that wasn't recent (1996) is actually split across two seasons, so I don't even count it.

One at the end of 95-96, then 13 straight to start the next season. It counts.

On the other hand, that team ended up being hella fun and making the playoffs. IINM, the only NBA team ever to have a double-digit losing streak and double-digit winning streak in the same season.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:14 am**

Cap wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:59 am
Indy wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:54 am
The Bobster wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:51 am
Cap wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:46 am

Superbone wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:19 am
Suns need to seize their opportunity and either win tonight in Cleveland or their next game in Atlanta. Otherwise, that losing streak could get even uglier!
At 15, we’ve already tied the franchise record, set late last season. The worst:
Code: Select all
                                             
Rk           Team      First       Last Games
1    Phoenix Suns 2018-03-02 2018-04-01    15
2    Phoenix Suns 2019-01-15 2019-02-13    15
3    Phoenix Suns 1996-04-21 1996-11-26    14
4    Phoenix Suns 2016-01-26 2016-02-25    13
5    Phoenix Suns 2017-03-12 2017-04-05    13
Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/21/2019.
One each of the last four seasons. You have to admire their consistency!
And the one that wasn't recent (1996) is actually split across two seasons, so I don't even count it.
One at the end of 95-96, then 13 straight to start the next season. It counts.

On the other hand, that team ended up being hella fun and making the playoffs. IINM, the only NBA team ever to have a double-digit losing streak and double-digit winning streak in the same season.

I would count the 13, just not the 14. And yes, that is the only time that has happened.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:41 am**

10-game losing streaks under each owner -

1968-87 - Richard Bloch - 5 in 19 seasons (2 were in the 1968-69 expansion season)
1987-04 - Jerry Colangelo - 2 in 17 seasons
2004-19 - Robert Sarver - 7 in 15 seasons
1968-19 - 14 in 51 seasons

Won-lost record under each owner -

1968-87 - Richard Bloch - 783-775, .503 (Bloch/J. Colangelo - 783-775, .503)
1987-04 - Jerry Colangelo - 799-563 .587 (1987-1994 - J. Colangelo - 363-211, .632; 1994-04 - J. Colangelo/B. Colangelo - 436-352, .553)
2004-15 - Robert Sarver - 596-595, .500 (2004-12 - Saver/J. Colangelo - 405-235, .632; 2012-19 - Sarver/no J. Colangelo - 191-360, .347)
1968-19 - 2178-1933, .530

Things have cratered since Colangelo officially left his position as Chairman in 2012 (his time as CEO ended in 2007). Not exactly shocking news to any of us I'm sure.

If you give Sarver credit for everything since 2007-08 when Kerr became GM and Colangelo's time as CEO ended their record is 419-532, .441 (following the three-year Sarver/Colangelo stint from 2004-07 with Jerry as CEO when they went 177-69, .720).

Sarver basically took a team that averaged 59 wins a year from 2004-07 and turned it into one that has averaged 29 wins per 82 games from 2012-19.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:26 am**

The Bobster wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:41 am
10-game losing streaks under each owner -

1968-87 - Richard Bloch - 5 in 19 seasons (2 were in the 1968-69 expansion season)
1987-04 - Jerry Colangelo - 2 in 17 seasons
2004-19 - Robert Sarver - 7 in 15 seasons
1968-19 - 14 in 51 seasons

Won-lost record under each owner -

1968-87 - Richard Bloch - 783-775, .503 (Bloch/J. Colangelo - 783-775, .503)
1987-04 - Jerry Colangelo - 799-563 .587 (1987-1994 - J. Colangelo - 363-211, .632; 1994-04 - J. Colangelo/B. Colangelo - 436-352, .553)
2004-15 - Robert Sarver - 596-595, .500 (2004-12 - Saver/J. Colangelo - 405-235, .632; 2012-19 - Sarver/no J. Colangelo - 191-360, .347)
1968-19 - 2178-1933, .530

Things have cratered since Colangelo officially left his position as Chairman in 2012 (his time as CEO ended in 2007). Not exactly shocking news to any of us I'm sure.

If you give Sarver credit for everything since 2007-08 when Kerr became GM and Colangelo's time as CEO ended their record is 419-532, .441 (following the three-year Sarver/Colangelo stint from 2004-07 with Jerry as CEO when they went 177-69, .720).

Sarver basically took a team that averaged 59 games a year from 2004-07 and turned it into one that has averaged 29 games per 82 games from 2012-19.

Here are the numbers pre/post Nash.

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Losings streaks >4 games

  w/Nash      w/Nash
    3*          23

*The 3 w/Nash actually had him miss some of the games in two of the streaks.

If you give Jerry credit for bringing back Nash, Sarver has 1 single year (out of 7) without at least one 5 game losing streak. Ouch.

The 23 he has in those 7 years account for 33% of all >4 game losing streaks we have had in 51 years of existence (and this season isn't over yet).

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:04 am**

The Bobster wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:41 am
1987-04 - Jerry Colangelo - 2 in 17 seasons
2004-19 - Robert Sarver - 7 in 15 seasons

This is what stands out to me. Hard to believe that Sarver has been owner of the Suns almost as long as Colangelo now. Depressing. We had some fun rides under Colangelo's watch. Sarver? Not so much.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:07 am**

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:10 am**

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:12 am**

Oh, I forgot to mention. This is the Brandon Knight / Marquese Chriss revenge game! Knight is starting for the Cavs. Look for Chriss to try to dunk on Ayton.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:17 am**

Superbone wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:12 am
Knight is starting for the Cavs.

And you thought we had it bad at PG.

Though Knight actually has some good numbers in the 43 minutes he has played for the Cavs so far.

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Season     Tm G GS MP FG FGA  FG% 3P 3PA  3P% 2P 2PA  2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2018-19   CLE 3  2 43  9  16 .563  6  11 .545  3   5 .600 .750  0       0   0   4   4   8   1   0   4  1  24

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Generated 2/21/2019.

I’m guessing that won’t last long, but it might last for one more game.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:30 am**

Melton played with the G league team last night, so he should be good to go

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:41 am**

It's going to be nice to see De'Anthony again.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:45 pm**

Indy wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:26 am

The Bobster wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:41 am
10-game losing streaks under each owner -

1968-87 - Richard Bloch - 5 in 19 seasons (2 were in the 1968-69 expansion season)
1987-04 - Jerry Colangelo - 2 in 17 seasons
2004-19 - Robert Sarver - 7 in 15 seasons
1968-19 - 14 in 51 seasons

Won-lost record under each owner -

1968-87 - Richard Bloch - 783-775, .503 (Bloch/J. Colangelo - 783-775, .503)
1987-04 - Jerry Colangelo - 799-563 .587 (1987-1994 - J. Colangelo - 363-211, .632; 1994-04 - J. Colangelo/B. Colangelo - 436-352, .553)
2004-15 - Robert Sarver - 596-595, .500 (2004-12 - Saver/J. Colangelo - 405-235, .632; 2012-19 - Sarver/no J. Colangelo - 191-360, .347)
1968-19 - 2178-1933, .530

Things have cratered since Colangelo officially left his position as Chairman in 2012 (his time as CEO ended in 2007). Not exactly shocking news to any of us I'm sure.

If you give Sarver credit for everything since 2007-08 when Kerr became GM and Colangelo's time as CEO ended their record is 419-532, .441 (following the three-year Sarver/Colangelo stint from 2004-07 with Jerry as CEO when they went 177-69, .720).

Sarver basically took a team that averaged 59 games a year from 2004-07 and turned it into one that has averaged 29 games per 82 games from 2012-19.
Here are the numbers pre/post Nash.
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Losings streaks >4 games

  w/Nash      w/Nash
    3*          23
*The 3 w/Nash actually had him miss some of the games in two of the streaks.

If you give Jerry credit for bringing back Nash, Sarver has 1 single year (out of 7) without at least one 5 game losing streak. Ouch.

The 23 he has in those 7 years account for 33% of all >4 game losing streaks we have had in 51 years of existence (and this season isn't over yet).

Don't worry, the longer these losing streaks last, the fewer there will be of them.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:55 pm**

Tyler Johnson is starting at the front of the tank tonight so expect his blizzardy 22% shooting to put us in the hole early.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:57 pm**

Also can we talk about what the hell is going on with TJ? This seems to be more serious than just ankle soreness. You don’t miss a month of games with just ankle soreness. Seems like he’s missed a billion games. Have they done any MRIs? This isn’t good.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:59 pm**

He always misses a billion games with seemingly minor injuries that the team never gives updates on.

Posted: **Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:05 pm**

I hope Melton being back means we've seen the last of regular rotation minutes for Crawford. There's just no upside to playing him over Melton/Okobo any more.

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